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Laiva / Something I stumbled over
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emmel
2008-12-19 13:33:09 UTC
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If you ever wondered what I would picture Laiva like... Well, I stumbled
over this movie and my first thought was: Fit's like a glove. On seconds
thought I still think this actress is pretty close, so I made a few
screenshots and decided to share. Let me know what you think.

http://www.gmx.de/mc/1VNH2wp2rVQPP7dPDSqjOx53ERJVgo

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2008-12-19 13:39:29 UTC
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Post by emmel
If you ever wondered what I would picture Laiva like... Well, I stumbled
over this movie and my first thought was: Fit's like a glove. On seconds
thought I still think this actress is pretty close, so I made a few
screenshots and decided to share. Let me know what you think.
http://www.gmx.de/mc/1VNH2wp2rVQPP7dPDSqjOx53ERJVgo
This link will be valid until the 18th of January.
She is awfully young. I imagined her less vulnerable.

What was the movie? Was is a phantasy setting? Like Narnia?

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emmel
2008-12-19 15:05:20 UTC
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Post by emmel
If you ever wondered what I would picture Laiva like... Well, I stumbled
over this movie and my first thought was: Fit's like a glove. On seconds
thought I still think this actress is pretty close, so I made a few
screenshots and decided to share. Let me know what you think.
http://www.gmx.de/mc/1VNH2wp2rVQPP7dPDSqjOx53ERJVgo
This link will be valid until the 18th of January.
She is awfully young. I imagined her less vulnerable.
Actually she (the actress) is ten or eleven, even though she could pass
as a bit younger, I think. Considering that Laiva's age is explicitly
said to be eight going towards nine. (BTW, I'm not so sure I got that
last half-sentence right. I think I'm close, but I slightly messed up
the phrase.) So actually the age should fit. And about the being
vulnerable: She is. Except when she is fighting for her life or in her
head-first-through-the-wall, I think.
Post by Neo
What was the movie? Was is a phantasy setting? Like Narnia?
Um, it was the heart warming family movie kind. Nothing fantasy about
that. But I liked the lead actress ;-)
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Red Dragon
2008-12-19 18:54:09 UTC
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Post by emmel
If you ever wondered what I would picture Laiva like... Well, I stumbled
over this movie and my first thought was: Fit's like a glove. On seconds
thought I still think this actress is pretty close, so I made a few
screenshots and decided to share. Let me know what you think.
http://www.gmx.de/mc/1VNH2wp2rVQPP7dPDSqjOx53ERJVgo
This link will be valid until the 18th of January.
After bumbling my way through a German website, I'd have to say that
she's just about what I'd imagine too.

But why do you want our opinion on this? Thinking about making a movie? ;)
emmel
2008-12-19 19:05:12 UTC
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Post by emmel
If you ever wondered what I would picture Laiva like... Well, I stumbled
over this movie and my first thought was: Fit's like a glove. On seconds
thought I still think this actress is pretty close, so I made a few
screenshots and decided to share. Let me know what you think.
http://www.gmx.de/mc/1VNH2wp2rVQPP7dPDSqjOx53ERJVgo
This link will be valid until the 18th of January.
After bumbling my way through a German website, I'd have to say that
Oh, sorry about that. I hadn't though about that. It just seemed the
obvious choice to post it.
Post by Red Dragon
she's just about what I'd imagine too.
But why do you want our opinion on this? Thinking about making a movie? ;)
Nah, and be now she'd be sixteen or so anyway. Besides, the really hard
part to cast would be Mynor.
I was just being curious how much my vision overlapped with yours. And
by the looks of it you were on the same page as me while Neo wasn't.
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emmel
2008-12-19 19:10:04 UTC
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P.S.: I'm about to finish up the next instalment of ATC. It just needs a
bit more dialogue (the easy part) and some polishing (the hard part).
Hopefully I'll get it done today, or at least tomorrow. Feel free to
poke me with a pointy stick or something when I fail the deadline...
Just not /too/ hard, all right?
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"A hundred dead are a tragedy - a hundred thousand are statistics."

"I guess you can call yourself lucky." -
"I could, but Linda suits me a little better... :)
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Red Dragon
2008-12-19 19:13:48 UTC
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Post by emmel
P.S.: I'm about to finish up the next instalment of ATC. It just needs a
bit more dialogue (the easy part) and some polishing (the hard part).
Hopefully I'll get it done today, or at least tomorrow. Feel free to
poke me with a pointy stick or something when I fail the deadline...
Just not /too/ hard, all right?
Hm. I just have this pitchfork...

And there is no mercy in Thunderdome.
emmel
2008-12-19 19:16:13 UTC
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Post by emmel
P.S.: I'm about to finish up the next instalment of ATC. It just needs a
bit more dialogue (the easy part) and some polishing (the hard part).
Hopefully I'll get it done today, or at least tomorrow. Feel free to
poke me with a pointy stick or something when I fail the deadline...
Just not /too/ hard, all right?
Hm. I just have this pitchfork...
Pitchfork? Is it cursed?
Post by Red Dragon
And there is no mercy in Thunderdome.
WTF is Thunderdome?
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Red Dragon
2008-12-20 18:01:17 UTC
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Post by emmel
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Post by emmel
P.S.: I'm about to finish up the next instalment of ATC. It just needs a
bit more dialogue (the easy part) and some polishing (the hard part).
Hopefully I'll get it done today, or at least tomorrow. Feel free to
poke me with a pointy stick or something when I fail the deadline...
Just not /too/ hard, all right?
Hm. I just have this pitchfork...
Pitchfork? Is it cursed?
No, I live on a farm. I also have pickaxes, shovels, hoes, machetes,
sledgehammers, rakes, loppers, tillers, and hay hooks.
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Post by Red Dragon
And there is no mercy in Thunderdome.
WTF is Thunderdome?
Apparently a regional reference.
emmel
2008-12-20 18:53:07 UTC
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Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
P.S.: I'm about to finish up the next instalment of ATC. It just needs a
bit more dialogue (the easy part) and some polishing (the hard part).
Hopefully I'll get it done today, or at least tomorrow. Feel free to
poke me with a pointy stick or something when I fail the deadline...
Just not /too/ hard, all right?
Hm. I just have this pitchfork...
Pitchfork? Is it cursed?
No, I live on a farm. I also have pickaxes, shovels, hoes, machetes,
sledgehammers, rakes, loppers, tillers, and hay hooks.
Sorry, got carried away. Wait, you've actually got machetes? I though
those were only used in Africa and South America.
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Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
And there is no mercy in Thunderdome.
WTF is Thunderdome?
Apparently a regional reference.
Care to explain?
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Red Dragon
2008-12-21 20:42:09 UTC
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Post by emmel
P.S.: I'm about to finish up the next instalment of ATC. It just needs a
bit more dialogue (the easy part) and some polishing (the hard part).
Hopefully I'll get it done today, or at least tomorrow. Feel free to
poke me with a pointy stick or something when I fail the deadline...
Just not /too/ hard, all right?
Hm. I just have this pitchfork...
Pitchfork? Is it cursed?
No, I live on a farm. I also have pickaxes, shovels, hoes, machetes,
sledgehammers, rakes, loppers, tillers, and hay hooks.
Sorry, got carried away. Wait, you've actually got machetes? I though
those were only used in Africa and South America.
Well, blackberry bushes that have run amok for 30 years tend to resemble
such environments.
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And there is no mercy in Thunderdome.
WTF is Thunderdome?
Apparently a regional reference.
Care to explain?
It's from a movie, 'Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome' specifically. From the
Mad Max trilogy of movies. I'm not exactly sure how much detail I need
to go into, but Thunderdome is a metal gladiator cage in the movie.
emmel
2008-12-21 21:43:36 UTC
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Post by emmel
P.S.: I'm about to finish up the next instalment of ATC. It just needs a
bit more dialogue (the easy part) and some polishing (the hard part).
Hopefully I'll get it done today, or at least tomorrow. Feel free to
poke me with a pointy stick or something when I fail the deadline...
Just not /too/ hard, all right?
Hm. I just have this pitchfork...
Pitchfork? Is it cursed?
No, I live on a farm. I also have pickaxes, shovels, hoes, machetes,
sledgehammers, rakes, loppers, tillers, and hay hooks.
Sorry, got carried away. Wait, you've actually got machetes? I though
those were only used in Africa and South America.
Well, blackberry bushes that have run amok for 30 years tend to resemble
such environments.
Oh. Makes kind of sense.
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Post by Red Dragon
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Post by Red Dragon
And there is no mercy in Thunderdome.
WTF is Thunderdome?
Apparently a regional reference.
Care to explain?
It's from a movie, 'Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome' specifically. From the
Mad Max trilogy of movies. I'm not exactly sure how much detail I need
to go into, but Thunderdome is a metal gladiator cage in the movie.
I remember at least one of those... Anyway, wasn't weren't the Mad Max
movies kind of Australian?
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Neo
2008-12-22 17:06:07 UTC
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And there is no mercy in Thunderdome.
WTF is Thunderdome?
Apparently a regional reference.
Care to explain?
It's from a movie, 'Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome' specifically. From the
Mad Max trilogy of movies. I'm not exactly sure how much detail I need
to go into, but Thunderdome is a metal gladiator cage in the movie.
I remember at least one of those... Anyway, wasn't weren't the Mad Max
movies kind of Australian?
There aren't any sheep in Mad Max, so I don't think it took place in
Australia.

Neo
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emmel
2008-12-22 21:20:35 UTC
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And there is no mercy in Thunderdome.
WTF is Thunderdome?
Apparently a regional reference.
Care to explain?
It's from a movie, 'Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome' specifically. From the
Mad Max trilogy of movies. I'm not exactly sure how much detail I need
to go into, but Thunderdome is a metal gladiator cage in the movie.
I remember at least one of those... Anyway, wasn't weren't the Mad Max
movies kind of Australian?
There aren't any sheep in Mad Max, so I don't think it took place in
Australia.
It's post apocalyptical. You know, after the sheep brought the country
to its knees and subsequently died of overheating. You didn't think
anyone need all that wool, did you? It's for keeping them in line!
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Neo
2008-12-22 17:04:30 UTC
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And there is no mercy in Thunderdome.
WTF is Thunderdome?
Apparently a regional reference.
Care to explain?
It's from a movie, 'Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome' specifically. From the
Mad Max trilogy of movies. I'm not exactly sure how much detail I need
to go into, but Thunderdome is a metal gladiator cage in the movie.
That is actually the worst movie of the trilogy imnsho. I mean, Mel
Gibson loses his car right at the beginning of the movie right? Mad Max
without a car just ... isn't.

I happened to have a crush on 'warrior woman' Virginia Hey in episode 2
of Mad Max. I had tears in my eyes when she died at the end of the
movie. "You don't realize what you've got until it's gone" (slightly
unrelated).

I have the trilogy on DVD btw :-)

Neo
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Red Dragon
2008-12-22 19:13:37 UTC
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Post by Red Dragon
And there is no mercy in Thunderdome.
WTF is Thunderdome?
Apparently a regional reference.
Care to explain?
It's from a movie, 'Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome' specifically. From the
Mad Max trilogy of movies. I'm not exactly sure how much detail I need
to go into, but Thunderdome is a metal gladiator cage in the movie.
That is actually the worst movie of the trilogy imnsho. I mean, Mel
Gibson loses his car right at the beginning of the movie right? Mad Max
without a car just ... isn't.
I happened to have a crush on 'warrior woman' Virginia Hey in episode 2
of Mad Max. I had tears in my eyes when she died at the end of the
movie. "You don't realize what you've got until it's gone" (slightly
unrelated).
I have the trilogy on DVD btw :-)
Neo
I've only ever seen the first one. It's just one of those movie series
that invades culture, whether people know the origins or not.
Neo
2008-12-22 21:55:03 UTC
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Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
And there is no mercy in Thunderdome.
WTF is Thunderdome?
Apparently a regional reference.
Care to explain?
It's from a movie, 'Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome' specifically. From the
Mad Max trilogy of movies. I'm not exactly sure how much detail I need
to go into, but Thunderdome is a metal gladiator cage in the movie.
That is actually the worst movie of the trilogy imnsho. I mean, Mel
Gibson loses his car right at the beginning of the movie right? Mad Max
without a car just ... isn't.
I happened to have a crush on 'warrior woman' Virginia Hey in episode 2
of Mad Max. I had tears in my eyes when she died at the end of the
movie. "You don't realize what you've got until it's gone" (slightly
unrelated).
I have the trilogy on DVD btw :-)
Neo
I've only ever seen the first one. It's just one of those movie series
that invades culture, whether people know the origins or not.
Second episode is my favourite. The gang that terrorises the desert is
really brutal and their humour is totally dark.

I also think it is romantic in some way, but most people would watch it
for the action alone!

I would say watch beyond thunderdome if you are a big fan of Tina Turner
only.

Neo
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Neo
2008-12-19 20:28:13 UTC
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Post by emmel
If you ever wondered what I would picture Laiva like... Well, I stumbled
over this movie and my first thought was: Fit's like a glove. On seconds
thought I still think this actress is pretty close, so I made a few
screenshots and decided to share. Let me know what you think.
http://www.gmx.de/mc/1VNH2wp2rVQPP7dPDSqjOx53ERJVgo
This link will be valid until the 18th of January.
After bumbling my way through a German website, I'd have to say that
Oh, sorry about that. I hadn't though about that. It just seemed the
obvious choice to post it.
Post by Red Dragon
she's just about what I'd imagine too.
But why do you want our opinion on this? Thinking about making a movie? ;)
Nah, and be now she'd be sixteen or so anyway. Besides, the really hard
part to cast would be Mynor.
I was just being curious how much my vision overlapped with yours. And
by the looks of it you were on the same page as me while Neo wasn't.
You're the writer, so it is really your fault ;-)

I guess I want Laiva to be more mature. Thank God there is Aya now! I am
really not comfortable around children. Even when I was younger I rather
hang out with older people than with youngsters my own age. Children are
highly unpredictable to me and I don't feel like paying attention to
them all the time (which is why not getting my gf pregnant seems like a
really good idea).

Neo
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emmel
2008-12-19 21:48:47 UTC
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Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
If you ever wondered what I would picture Laiva like... Well, I stumbled
over this movie and my first thought was: Fit's like a glove. On seconds
thought I still think this actress is pretty close, so I made a few
screenshots and decided to share. Let me know what you think.
http://www.gmx.de/mc/1VNH2wp2rVQPP7dPDSqjOx53ERJVgo
This link will be valid until the 18th of January.
After bumbling my way through a German website, I'd have to say that
Oh, sorry about that. I hadn't though about that. It just seemed the
obvious choice to post it.
Post by Red Dragon
she's just about what I'd imagine too.
But why do you want our opinion on this? Thinking about making a movie? ;)
Nah, and be now she'd be sixteen or so anyway. Besides, the really hard
part to cast would be Mynor.
I was just being curious how much my vision overlapped with yours. And
by the looks of it you were on the same page as me while Neo wasn't.
You're the writer, so it is really your fault ;-)
Of course it is, but I think one out of two isn't really that bad.
Post by Neo
I guess I want Laiva to be more mature.
I don't think she'd be that damn thick headed then. And it wouldn't
quite work for other reasons as well, I think.
Post by Neo
Thank God there is Aya now!
Well, she definitely is a lot more mature.
Post by Neo
I am really not comfortable around children.
No problems with children here, although it might be disputable the
children would have a problem with me.
Post by Neo
Even when I was younger I rather hang out with older people than with
youngsters my own age. Children are highly unpredictable to me and I
Oh, yeah. Unpredictably, your name is Laiva. I wouldn't want to be
responsible for that particular rascal. I don't think most children are
that bad, though.
Post by Neo
don't feel like paying attention to them all the time (which is why
not getting my gf pregnant seems like a really good idea).
That's something between you are her, obviously. Still, I don't think
you would necessarily be bad as a father. IMHO own children are very
different from anything else.
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Neo
2008-12-22 17:31:01 UTC
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Post by emmel
If you ever wondered what I would picture Laiva like... Well, I stumbled
over this movie and my first thought was: Fit's like a glove. On seconds
thought I still think this actress is pretty close, so I made a few
screenshots and decided to share. Let me know what you think.
http://www.gmx.de/mc/1VNH2wp2rVQPP7dPDSqjOx53ERJVgo
This link will be valid until the 18th of January.
After bumbling my way through a German website, I'd have to say that
Oh, sorry about that. I hadn't though about that. It just seemed the
obvious choice to post it.
Post by Red Dragon
she's just about what I'd imagine too.
But why do you want our opinion on this? Thinking about making a movie? ;)
Nah, and be now she'd be sixteen or so anyway. Besides, the really hard
part to cast would be Mynor.
I was just being curious how much my vision overlapped with yours. And
by the looks of it you were on the same page as me while Neo wasn't.
You're the writer, so it is really your fault ;-)
Of course it is, but I think one out of two isn't really that bad.
Might be a fluke.
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Post by Neo
I guess I want Laiva to be more mature.
I don't think she'd be that damn thick headed then. And it wouldn't
quite work for other reasons as well, I think.
Girls in puberty can be much worse. For one thing, they are much
stronger and taller and they understand better how the world works
(which equates more damage).

Add to that their disturbed emotional and moral systems and you've got
something pretty problematic!
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Post by Neo
Thank God there is Aya now!
Well, she definitely is a lot more mature.
Yes. 17 is nearly legal to have a crush on in most countries (unless you
are underaged yourself in which case you can have a crush on other
people that are underaged till one of you hits 18).

Still, she kicks ass, which is most important to me.
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Post by Neo
I am really not comfortable around children.
No problems with children here, although it might be disputable the
children would have a problem with me.
Why would they have a problem with you? You could read them stories
right? Children *love* stories!
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Post by Neo
Even when I was younger I rather hang out with older people than with
youngsters my own age. Children are highly unpredictable to me and I
Oh, yeah. Unpredictably, your name is Laiva. I wouldn't want to be
responsible for that particular rascal. I don't think most children are
that bad, though.
You mean they don't kill living creatures they feel threatened by?
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Post by Neo
don't feel like paying attention to them all the time (which is why
not getting my gf pregnant seems like a really good idea).
That's something between you are her, obviously. Still, I don't think
you would necessarily be bad as a father. IMHO own children are very
different from anything else.
Thank you! But by the time I want children both me and my gf will
probably be too old for it (quite common in Holland according to recent
studies in the EU; we've got the highest number of dead before birth in
Europe, twice that of Germany).

Neo
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emmel
2008-12-22 22:05:53 UTC
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Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
But why do you want our opinion on this? Thinking about making a movie? ;)
Nah, and be now she'd be sixteen or so anyway. Besides, the really hard
part to cast would be Mynor.
I was just being curious how much my vision overlapped with yours. And
by the looks of it you were on the same page as me while Neo wasn't.
You're the writer, so it is really your fault ;-)
Of course it is, but I think one out of two isn't really that bad.
Might be a fluke.
In both directions. :-)
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
I guess I want Laiva to be more mature.
I don't think she'd be that damn thick headed then. And it wouldn't
quite work for other reasons as well, I think.
Girls in puberty can be much worse. For one thing, they are much
stronger and taller and they understand better how the world works
(which equates more damage).
Add to that their disturbed emotional and moral systems and you've got
something pretty problematic!
Yeah, but I didn't plan for Laiva to destroy the world or something. If
I aimed for that a girl in puberty would be ideal, of course. Seriously,
you can me trust that it just wouldn't have worked.
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Thank God there is Aya now!
Well, she definitely is a lot more mature.
Yes. 17 is nearly legal to have a crush on in most countries (unless you
are underaged yourself in which case you can have a crush on other
people that are underaged till one of you hits 18).
OK, I have to say something to that. For one thing there are countries
where 'having a crush on somebody' is legal for lower ages. Hey, you can
marry with sixteen around here, dammit.
There is, however, the little problem of counting years. We are
talking Rilanehan years here, and while the length of the days for some
curious reasons is close enough to an earth day so we can safely ignore
it, the calendar is somewhat different.
The Rilanehan is structured as follows:

1st to 26th of post winter
1st to 50th of pring
1st to 26th of pre summer
1st to 104th of summer
1st to 26th of post summer
1st to 50th of autumn
1st to 26th of pre winter
1st to 104th of winter

Please not that the pre/post seasons/months are called differently in
different regions. Sometimes the pre/post seasons are split into two
months with 25 days each, and winter and summer in four to 26 days each.
At any rate, the official counting starts at summer solstice
(day zero) and is continually counted to day 411 or 412 in leap years
which happen every few dozen years or so. You don't even want to know
what that does to the non-continuous counting given above, since the
results vary greatly depending on whom you ask.
Anyway, what I wanted to say was that while Aya is without doubt
seventeen, it's not seventeen earth years. I leave the math to you.
Post by Neo
Still, she kicks ass, which is most important to me.
Yup.
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
I am really not comfortable around children.
No problems with children here, although it might be disputable the
children would have a problem with me.
Why would they have a problem with you? You could read them stories
right? Children *love* stories!
Well, there's more children than that. Anyway, even better than reading
stories is telling stories. I, too, would love that.
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Even when I was younger I rather hang out with older people than with
youngsters my own age. Children are highly unpredictable to me and I
Oh, yeah. Unpredictably, your name is Laiva. I wouldn't want to be
responsible for that particular rascal. I don't think most children are
that bad, though.
You mean they don't kill living creatures they feel threatened by?
Well, how many children actually *do* run away from home? And how many
would do so in a place like that. That through-the-wall-head-first
mentality of hers makes raising her a serious challenge. Especially
since you just can't be mad at her, when she looks at you with her big
eyes. After all she doesn't mean to make trouble, and she is a good
child and everything.
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
don't feel like paying attention to them all the time (which is why
not getting my gf pregnant seems like a really good idea).
That's something between you are her, obviously. Still, I don't think
you would necessarily be bad as a father. IMHO own children are very
different from anything else.
Thank you! But by the time I want children both me and my gf will
probably be too old for it (quite common in Holland according to
recent studies in the EU; we've got the highest number of dead before
birth in Europe, twice that of Germany).
That kinda sucks.
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Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
I guess I want Laiva to be more mature.
I don't think she'd be that damn thick headed then. And it wouldn't
quite work for other reasons as well, I think.
Girls in puberty can be much worse. For one thing, they are much
stronger and taller and they understand better how the world works
(which equates more damage).
Add to that their disturbed emotional and moral systems and you've got
something pretty problematic!
Yeah, but I didn't plan for Laiva to destroy the world or something. If
I aimed for that a girl in puberty would be ideal, of course. Seriously,
you can me trust that it just wouldn't have worked.
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Thank God there is Aya now!
Well, she definitely is a lot more mature.
Yes. 17 is nearly legal to have a crush on in most countries (unless you
are underaged yourself in which case you can have a crush on other
people that are underaged till one of you hits 18).
OK, I have to say something to that. For one thing there are countries
where 'having a crush on somebody' is legal for lower ages. Hey, you can
marry with sixteen around here, dammit.
12 Years, old enough to have a child, too young to be married. I hear
teenage pregnancy is a real problem in the UK somehow!
Post by emmel
There is, however, the little problem of counting years. We are
talking Rilanehan years here, and while the length of the days for some
curious reasons is close enough to an earth day so we can safely ignore
it, the calendar is somewhat different.
1st to 26th of post winter
1st to 50th of pring
1st to 26th of pre summer
1st to 104th of summer
1st to 26th of post summer
1st to 50th of autumn
1st to 26th of pre winter
1st to 104th of winter
Please not that the pre/post seasons/months are called differently in
different regions. Sometimes the pre/post seasons are split into two
months with 25 days each, and winter and summer in four to 26 days each.
At any rate, the official counting starts at summer solstice
(day zero) and is continually counted to day 411 or 412 in leap years
which happen every few dozen years or so. You don't even want to know
what that does to the non-continuous counting given above, since the
results vary greatly depending on whom you ask.
Anyway, what I wanted to say was that while Aya is without doubt
seventeen, it's not seventeen earth years. I leave the math to you.
I should have realized :-) Aya is human (or at least humanoid) isn't she?
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
I am really not comfortable around children.
No problems with children here, although it might be disputable the
children would have a problem with me.
Why would they have a problem with you? You could read them stories
right? Children *love* stories!
Well, there's more children than that. Anyway, even better than reading
stories is telling stories. I, too, would love that.
You could tell them stories while you are reading them.

Neo
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emmel
2008-12-27 14:13:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Thank God there is Aya now!
Well, she definitely is a lot more mature.
Yes. 17 is nearly legal to have a crush on in most countries (unless you
are underaged yourself in which case you can have a crush on other
people that are underaged till one of you hits 18).
OK, I have to say something to that. For one thing there are countries
where 'having a crush on somebody' is legal for lower ages. Hey, you can
marry with sixteen around here, dammit.
12 Years, old enough to have a child, too young to be married. I hear
teenage pregnancy is a real problem in the UK somehow!
As is teenage drinking and teenage stabbing. There /might/ be a
connection...
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
There is, however, the little problem of counting years. We are
talking Rilanehan years here, and while the length of the days for some
curious reasons is close enough to an earth day so we can safely ignore
it, the calendar is somewhat different.
1st to 26th of post winter
1st to 50th of pring
1st to 26th of pre summer
1st to 104th of summer
1st to 26th of post summer
1st to 50th of autumn
1st to 26th of pre winter
1st to 104th of winter
Please not that the pre/post seasons/months are called differently in
different regions. Sometimes the pre/post seasons are split into two
months with 25 days each, and winter and summer in four to 26 days each.
At any rate, the official counting starts at summer solstice
(day zero) and is continually counted to day 411 or 412 in leap years
which happen every few dozen years or so. You don't even want to know
what that does to the non-continuous counting given above, since the
results vary greatly depending on whom you ask.
Anyway, what I wanted to say was that while Aya is without doubt
seventeen, it's not seventeen earth years. I leave the math to you.
I should have realized :-)
Well, of course you should have. It's blatantly obvious!
Post by Neo
Aya is human (or at least humanoid) isn't she?
Well, pretty close to human anyway. The Raniran population looks the
part and is genetically compatible, I think. Hm... I think that'd mean
they *are* human after all.
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
I am really not comfortable around children.
No problems with children here, although it might be disputable the
children would have a problem with me.
Why would they have a problem with you? You could read them stories
right? Children *love* stories!
Well, there's more children than that. Anyway, even better than reading
stories is telling stories. I, too, would love that.
You could tell them stories while you are reading them.
It's the difference between interactive and non-interactive. Reading is
nice, but telling them is better. Though it might be advisable to keep
notes, or at least have in mind where you are going.
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2008-12-27 14:43:34 UTC
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Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Thank God there is Aya now!
Well, she definitely is a lot more mature.
Yes. 17 is nearly legal to have a crush on in most countries (unless you
are underaged yourself in which case you can have a crush on other
people that are underaged till one of you hits 18).
OK, I have to say something to that. For one thing there are countries
where 'having a crush on somebody' is legal for lower ages. Hey, you can
marry with sixteen around here, dammit.
12 Years, old enough to have a child, too young to be married. I hear
teenage pregnancy is a real problem in the UK somehow!
As is teenage drinking and teenage stabbing. There /might/ be a
connection...
In Holland groups of children beat up some victim and film it. Then they
put in on youtube for the world to see. I forgot what these kinds of
movies are called, but I don't want to search for them anyways so it
doesn't matter much.

That is the price for ranking among the best broadband connected
countries in the world!

Neo
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emmel
2008-12-27 18:45:43 UTC
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Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Thank God there is Aya now!
Well, she definitely is a lot more mature.
Yes. 17 is nearly legal to have a crush on in most countries (unless you
are underaged yourself in which case you can have a crush on other
people that are underaged till one of you hits 18).
OK, I have to say something to that. For one thing there are countries
where 'having a crush on somebody' is legal for lower ages. Hey, you can
marry with sixteen around here, dammit.
12 Years, old enough to have a child, too young to be married. I hear
teenage pregnancy is a real problem in the UK somehow!
As is teenage drinking and teenage stabbing. There /might/ be a
connection...
In Holland groups of children beat up some victim and film it. Then they
put in on youtube for the world to see. I forgot what these kinds of
movies are called,
Snuff, I think. Or was that videos of killings? And what does knowing
these kind of things say of me?
Post by Neo
but I don't want to search for them anyways so it
doesn't matter much.
That is the price for ranking among the best broadband connected
countries in the world!
It's not the broadband, it's the stupidity...
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2008-12-27 19:34:05 UTC
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Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Thank God there is Aya now!
Well, she definitely is a lot more mature.
Yes. 17 is nearly legal to have a crush on in most countries (unless you
are underaged yourself in which case you can have a crush on other
people that are underaged till one of you hits 18).
OK, I have to say something to that. For one thing there are countries
where 'having a crush on somebody' is legal for lower ages. Hey, you can
marry with sixteen around here, dammit.
12 Years, old enough to have a child, too young to be married. I hear
teenage pregnancy is a real problem in the UK somehow!
As is teenage drinking and teenage stabbing. There /might/ be a
connection...
In Holland groups of children beat up some victim and film it. Then they
put in on youtube for the world to see. I forgot what these kinds of
movies are called,
Snuff, I think. Or was that videos of killings? And what does knowing
these kind of things say of me?
I believe Snuff films are specifically people getting killed for the
sexual pleasure of others. And knowing these things doesn't really say
much anymore. One just tends to absorb useless and sometimes disturbing
information if they spend enough time on the internet, even if they
don't frequent particularly disturbing parts.
Neo
2008-12-27 20:15:48 UTC
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Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Thank God there is Aya now!
Well, she definitely is a lot more mature.
Yes. 17 is nearly legal to have a crush on in most countries (unless you
are underaged yourself in which case you can have a crush on other
people that are underaged till one of you hits 18).
OK, I have to say something to that. For one thing there are countries
where 'having a crush on somebody' is legal for lower ages. Hey, you can
marry with sixteen around here, dammit.
12 Years, old enough to have a child, too young to be married. I hear
teenage pregnancy is a real problem in the UK somehow!
As is teenage drinking and teenage stabbing. There /might/ be a
connection...
In Holland groups of children beat up some victim and film it. Then they
put in on youtube for the world to see. I forgot what these kinds of
movies are called,
Snuff, I think. Or was that videos of killings? And what does knowing
these kind of things say of me?
I believe Snuff films are specifically people getting killed for the
sexual pleasure of others. And knowing these things doesn't really say
much anymore. One just tends to absorb useless and sometimes disturbing
information if they spend enough time on the internet, even if they
don't frequent particularly disturbing parts.
What is really disturbing is that your government supports simulated
drowning on people they don't like. Again and again. For years and years
on end.

Neo
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emmel
2008-12-27 21:23:56 UTC
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Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
In Holland groups of children beat up some victim and film it. Then they
put in on youtube for the world to see. I forgot what these kinds of
movies are called,
Snuff, I think. Or was that videos of killings? And what does knowing
these kind of things say of me?
I believe Snuff films are specifically people getting killed for the
sexual pleasure of others. And knowing these things doesn't really say
much anymore. One just tends to absorb useless and sometimes disturbing
information if they spend enough time on the internet, even if they
don't frequent particularly disturbing parts.
Yeah, I guess you are right. Says a lot about the state of our so called
civilization, though.
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2008-12-27 21:30:29 UTC
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Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
In Holland groups of children beat up some victim and film it. Then they
put in on youtube for the world to see. I forgot what these kinds of
movies are called,
Snuff, I think. Or was that videos of killings? And what does knowing
these kind of things say of me?
I believe Snuff films are specifically people getting killed for the
sexual pleasure of others. And knowing these things doesn't really say
much anymore. One just tends to absorb useless and sometimes disturbing
information if they spend enough time on the internet, even if they
don't frequent particularly disturbing parts.
Yeah, I guess you are right. Says a lot about the state of our so called
civilization, though.
There is a really interesting movie about it by David Cronenberg called
Videodrome. It stars with Blondie as an snuff movie actor and I believe
she is still alive so they probably didn't hurt her.

Lost Highway by David Lynch also has some snuff movie aspects but it is
a lot more difficult to understand and it is more psychological, not
horror like Videodrome. On the other hand, Marilyn Manson gets killed in
lost highway iirc, but that is not really what the movie is about.

Neo
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emmel
2008-12-27 21:36:16 UTC
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Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
In Holland groups of children beat up some victim and film it. Then they
put in on youtube for the world to see. I forgot what these kinds of
movies are called,
Snuff, I think. Or was that videos of killings? And what does knowing
these kind of things say of me?
I believe Snuff films are specifically people getting killed for the
sexual pleasure of others. And knowing these things doesn't really say
much anymore. One just tends to absorb useless and sometimes disturbing
information if they spend enough time on the internet, even if they
don't frequent particularly disturbing parts.
Yeah, I guess you are right. Says a lot about the state of our so called
civilization, though.
There is a really interesting movie about it by David Cronenberg called
Videodrome. It stars with Blondie as an snuff movie actor and I believe
she is still alive so they probably didn't hurt her.
Lost Highway by David Lynch also has some snuff movie aspects but it is
a lot more difficult to understand and it is more psychological, not
horror like Videodrome. On the other hand, Marilyn Manson gets killed in
lost highway iirc, but that is not really what the movie is about.
::shrugs::
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2008-12-27 19:38:06 UTC
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Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Thank God there is Aya now!
Well, she definitely is a lot more mature.
Yes. 17 is nearly legal to have a crush on in most countries (unless you
are underaged yourself in which case you can have a crush on other
people that are underaged till one of you hits 18).
OK, I have to say something to that. For one thing there are countries
where 'having a crush on somebody' is legal for lower ages. Hey, you can
marry with sixteen around here, dammit.
12 Years, old enough to have a child, too young to be married. I hear
teenage pregnancy is a real problem in the UK somehow!
As is teenage drinking and teenage stabbing. There /might/ be a
connection...
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
There is, however, the little problem of counting years. We are
talking Rilanehan years here, and while the length of the days for some
curious reasons is close enough to an earth day so we can safely ignore
it, the calendar is somewhat different.
1st to 26th of post winter
1st to 50th of pring
1st to 26th of pre summer
1st to 104th of summer
1st to 26th of post summer
1st to 50th of autumn
1st to 26th of pre winter
1st to 104th of winter
Please not that the pre/post seasons/months are called differently in
different regions. Sometimes the pre/post seasons are split into two
months with 25 days each, and winter and summer in four to 26 days each.
At any rate, the official counting starts at summer solstice
(day zero) and is continually counted to day 411 or 412 in leap years
which happen every few dozen years or so. You don't even want to know
what that does to the non-continuous counting given above, since the
results vary greatly depending on whom you ask.
Anyway, what I wanted to say was that while Aya is without doubt
seventeen, it's not seventeen earth years. I leave the math to you.
I should have realized :-)
Well, of course you should have. It's blatantly obvious!
Post by Neo
Aya is human (or at least humanoid) isn't she?
Well, pretty close to human anyway. The Raniran population looks the
part and is genetically compatible, I think. Hm... I think that'd mean
they *are* human after all.
If two populations can mate together and produce viable, fertile
offspring, they are considered the same species. Although, it's rather
impressive that two physically separate populations would evolve to be
the same species...

Sorry, just completed a genetics and evolution class. I hope to not get
to fixated on related subjects.
emmel
2008-12-27 21:34:55 UTC
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Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Thank God there is Aya now!
Well, she definitely is a lot more mature.
Yes. 17 is nearly legal to have a crush on in most countries (unless you
are underaged yourself in which case you can have a crush on other
people that are underaged till one of you hits 18).
OK, I have to say something to that. For one thing there are countries
where 'having a crush on somebody' is legal for lower ages. Hey, you can
marry with sixteen around here, dammit.
12 Years, old enough to have a child, too young to be married. I hear
teenage pregnancy is a real problem in the UK somehow!
As is teenage drinking and teenage stabbing. There /might/ be a
connection...
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
There is, however, the little problem of counting years. We are
talking Rilanehan years here, and while the length of the days for some
curious reasons is close enough to an earth day so we can safely ignore
it, the calendar is somewhat different.
1st to 26th of post winter
1st to 50th of pring
1st to 26th of pre summer
1st to 104th of summer
1st to 26th of post summer
1st to 50th of autumn
1st to 26th of pre winter
1st to 104th of winter
Please not that the pre/post seasons/months are called differently in
different regions. Sometimes the pre/post seasons are split into two
months with 25 days each, and winter and summer in four to 26 days each.
At any rate, the official counting starts at summer solstice
(day zero) and is continually counted to day 411 or 412 in leap years
which happen every few dozen years or so. You don't even want to know
what that does to the non-continuous counting given above, since the
results vary greatly depending on whom you ask.
Anyway, what I wanted to say was that while Aya is without doubt
seventeen, it's not seventeen earth years. I leave the math to you.
I should have realized :-)
Well, of course you should have. It's blatantly obvious!
Post by Neo
Aya is human (or at least humanoid) isn't she?
Well, pretty close to human anyway. The Raniran population looks the
part and is genetically compatible, I think. Hm... I think that'd mean
they *are* human after all.
If two populations can mate together and produce viable, fertile
offspring, they are considered the same species. Although, it's rather
Yes, I am aware of that. Makes Star Trek pretty silly, but then I always
only watched it because of the amusement value. Funny stuff, if you
watch it with the right frame of mind.
Post by Red Dragon
impressive that two physically separate populations would evolve to be
the same species...
Well, there are three things you have to take into account: An infinite
universe (so everything possible exists somewhere out there), a good
deal of magic (actually, I don't see where that fits in, but it's
perfect for getting rid of any continuity mistakes) and last but not
least the omnipotence of the author.
Post by Red Dragon
Sorry, just completed a genetics and evolution class. I hope to not get
to fixated on related subjects.
::shrugs::
You'd have to brake out the heavy guns to effect me. It's not like I
studied biology, but you tend to pick up the one other thing. As long as
you don't start propagating creationism...
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"A hundred dead are a tragedy - a hundred thousand are statistics."

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Things called lucky tend to get hit by trucks."

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Neo
2008-12-27 21:45:34 UTC
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Thank God there is Aya now!
Well, she definitely is a lot more mature.
Yes. 17 is nearly legal to have a crush on in most countries (unless you
are underaged yourself in which case you can have a crush on other
people that are underaged till one of you hits 18).
OK, I have to say something to that. For one thing there are countries
where 'having a crush on somebody' is legal for lower ages. Hey, you can
marry with sixteen around here, dammit.
12 Years, old enough to have a child, too young to be married. I hear
teenage pregnancy is a real problem in the UK somehow!
As is teenage drinking and teenage stabbing. There /might/ be a
connection...
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There is, however, the little problem of counting years. We are
talking Rilanehan years here, and while the length of the days for some
curious reasons is close enough to an earth day so we can safely ignore
it, the calendar is somewhat different.
1st to 26th of post winter
1st to 50th of pring
1st to 26th of pre summer
1st to 104th of summer
1st to 26th of post summer
1st to 50th of autumn
1st to 26th of pre winter
1st to 104th of winter
Please not that the pre/post seasons/months are called differently in
different regions. Sometimes the pre/post seasons are split into two
months with 25 days each, and winter and summer in four to 26 days each.
At any rate, the official counting starts at summer solstice
(day zero) and is continually counted to day 411 or 412 in leap years
which happen every few dozen years or so. You don't even want to know
what that does to the non-continuous counting given above, since the
results vary greatly depending on whom you ask.
Anyway, what I wanted to say was that while Aya is without doubt
seventeen, it's not seventeen earth years. I leave the math to you.
I should have realized :-)
Well, of course you should have. It's blatantly obvious!
Post by Neo
Aya is human (or at least humanoid) isn't she?
Well, pretty close to human anyway. The Raniran population looks the
part and is genetically compatible, I think. Hm... I think that'd mean
they *are* human after all.
If two populations can mate together and produce viable, fertile
offspring, they are considered the same species. Although, it's rather
impressive that two physically separate populations would evolve to be
the same species...
Not if they have a common ancestor. Maybe like pioneers that lost the
technology for space-flight and then discovered it many years later.

Neo
--
Everything that has a beginning has an end.
emmel
2008-12-27 21:54:08 UTC
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Aya is human (or at least humanoid) isn't she?
Well, pretty close to human anyway. The Raniran population looks the
part and is genetically compatible, I think. Hm... I think that'd mean
they *are* human after all.
If two populations can mate together and produce viable, fertile
offspring, they are considered the same species. Although, it's rather
impressive that two physically separate populations would evolve to be
the same species...
Not if they have a common ancestor. Maybe like pioneers that lost the
technology for space-flight and then discovered it many years later.
With the timescales were are talking about here, most species tend to
diverge. Some even manage it in a few decades, although humans seem not
to have changed much in the last few millennia.
--
emmel <the_emmel*you-know-what-that's-for*@gmx.net>
(Don't forget to remove the ** bit)

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"God is playing creatures - and we're the norns."

"A hundred dead are a tragedy - a hundred thousand are statistics."

"I guess you can call yourself lucky." -
"I could, but Linda suits me a little better... :)
Things called lucky tend to get hit by trucks."

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Red Dragon
2008-12-28 05:33:54 UTC
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Post by Neo
Aya is human (or at least humanoid) isn't she?
Well, pretty close to human anyway. The Raniran population looks the
part and is genetically compatible, I think. Hm... I think that'd mean
they *are* human after all.
If two populations can mate together and produce viable, fertile
offspring, they are considered the same species. Although, it's rather
impressive that two physically separate populations would evolve to be
the same species...
Not if they have a common ancestor. Maybe like pioneers that lost the
technology for space-flight and then discovered it many years later.
With the timescales were are talking about here, most species tend to
diverge. Some even manage it in a few decades, although humans seem not
to have changed much in the last few millennia.
::dons her Smarty-Pants:: It's because of 'gene flow' :P

Seriously, I tend to talk way too much about any subject I happen to be
learning about at the time. Of course, I'm very fond of science, so
that kind of subject gets more airtime. But you don't have to worry
about me trying to convince you the chicken came before the egg and all
that implies.
emmel
2008-12-28 09:26:46 UTC
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Post by Neo
Aya is human (or at least humanoid) isn't she?
Well, pretty close to human anyway. The Raniran population looks the
part and is genetically compatible, I think. Hm... I think that'd mean
they *are* human after all.
If two populations can mate together and produce viable, fertile
offspring, they are considered the same species. Although, it's rather
impressive that two physically separate populations would evolve to be
the same species...
Not if they have a common ancestor. Maybe like pioneers that lost the
technology for space-flight and then discovered it many years later.
With the timescales were are talking about here, most species tend to
diverge. Some even manage it in a few decades, although humans seem not
to have changed much in the last few millennia.
::dons her Smarty-Pants:: It's because of 'gene flow' :P
What the hell is 'gene flow' supposed to mean?
Post by Red Dragon
Seriously, I tend to talk way too much about any subject I happen to be
learning about at the time. Of course, I'm very fond of science, so
that kind of subject gets more airtime. But you don't have to worry
about me trying to convince you the chicken came before the egg and all
that implies.
Oh, science away on me. And eggs obviously came before the chicken, as
birds are young compared to reptiles.
--
emmel <the_emmel*you-know-what-that's-for*@gmx.net>
(Don't forget to remove the ** bit)

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"God is playing creatures - and we're the norns."

"A hundred dead are a tragedy - a hundred thousand are statistics."

"I guess you can call yourself lucky." -
"I could, but Linda suits me a little better... :)
Things called lucky tend to get hit by trucks."

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Red Dragon
2008-12-28 20:58:55 UTC
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Post by Neo
Aya is human (or at least humanoid) isn't she?
Well, pretty close to human anyway. The Raniran population looks the
part and is genetically compatible, I think. Hm... I think that'd mean
they *are* human after all.
If two populations can mate together and produce viable, fertile
offspring, they are considered the same species. Although, it's rather
impressive that two physically separate populations would evolve to be
the same species...
Not if they have a common ancestor. Maybe like pioneers that lost the
technology for space-flight and then discovered it many years later.
With the timescales were are talking about here, most species tend to
diverge. Some even manage it in a few decades, although humans seem not
to have changed much in the last few millennia.
::dons her Smarty-Pants:: It's because of 'gene flow' :P
What the hell is 'gene flow' supposed to mean?
It just refers to two (or more) populations that have access to each
other and naturally mate with each other, thus keeping the genes similar
enough to maintain successful breeding between them.

If gene flow stops, that's when two new species may develop from the one.
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Seriously, I tend to talk way too much about any subject I happen to be
learning about at the time. Of course, I'm very fond of science, so
that kind of subject gets more airtime. But you don't have to worry
about me trying to convince you the chicken came before the egg and all
that implies.
Oh, science away on me. And eggs obviously came before the chicken, as
birds are young compared to reptiles.
Darn straight.
emmel
2008-12-29 20:02:19 UTC
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::dons her Smarty-Pants:: It's because of 'gene flow' :P
What the hell is 'gene flow' supposed to mean?
It just refers to two (or more) populations that have access to each
other and naturally mate with each other, thus keeping the genes similar
enough to maintain successful breeding between them.
Ah.
Post by Red Dragon
If gene flow stops, that's when two new species may develop from the one.
::nods::

Through human populations were pretty much isolated until about a
hundred years or so ago.
--
emmel <the_emmel*you-know-what-that's-for*@gmx.net>
(Don't forget to remove the ** bit)

story archives available at http://ranira.wordpress.com

Official AGC feedback maniac

"God is playing creatures - and we're the norns."

"A hundred dead are a tragedy - a hundred thousand are statistics."

"I guess you can call yourself lucky." -
"I could, but Linda suits me a little better... :)
Things called lucky tend to get hit by trucks."

Proud owner of 1 (one) DISOBEDIENCE point.
Former owner of 1 (one) eating point (eaten, sigh).

Hi, I'm a .sig virus. Just copy me to your .signature. And don't worry.
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