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[story] atcv2 #14, rev
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emmel
2009-01-01 21:52:40 UTC
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I don't guarantee that there are less (or even only as much for that
matter) errors in this revised version, but I like it for the changes I
made. Feel free to disagree... (But tell me, dammit.)
It has only a little Laiva/Mynor moment, but there's some well needed
exposition. Hopefully it's not too obvious for what it is.

*****

'Just fill in that form, already.'
Isrin seriously wondered how you could run a military with
that much bureaucracy, but maybe there was so much bureaucracy here in
the headquarters to stop it from interfering where it mattered. That
didn't make him comfortable dealing with it, though. By now the sun
had reached the peak of its daily course, shining brilliantly through
the high windows, and he could only hope the boys didn't cause any
trouble; he had planned this to be over with in half an hour or an
hour at most.
'You have to understand that we can't issue a warrant just for
asking. There are procedures to be followed. So, what did the culprit
do?' Captain Arris asked.
He was sitting behind a massive desk, empty except for three
trays, inkstand, pen and a single page of paper, all of which had been
carefully aligned to the edge of the desk. It made Isrin's nails curl.
He took a deep breath.
'There is no culprit and I don't want to issue a warrant. Do
you never have missing persons around here?'
'Oh. About a missing person, I'm afraid you'll have to consult
with Cap...'
He stopped in mid-sentence when he saw Isrin's gaze, carefully
cultivated in his over thirty years as village warden. It was
remarkable how far you got just by looking at people the right way at
the right moment.
'On the other hand, I could make an exception, since you are
already here and everything.'
'That would be... kind of you.' Isrin answered, cutting down
on the irony in his voice as best as he could muster.
The captain opened a drawer of his desk and produced a single
sheet of paper, which he carefully placed on top of the one already on
the desk, making sure that the corners were exactly on top of each
other. Isrin flinched.
'So, this is the right form.' the captain finally said and too
the pen.
'One: Name of the missing person.'
A lengthy pause ensued. The captain lifted his head, giving
Isrin a quizzical look, that he returned with a blank stare.
'You can't be serious.'
The captain looked confused.
'Why don't you just copy it from the other form? The one lying
below?'
'Well, I guess I could do that...'
'Oh, yes. I guess I could do that.'
Isrin rolled his eyes.
'So that's Laiva Azanee, female, eight years, dark hair, dark
eyes. Place of residency?'
'Pala, the village tavern.'
'Ah, sorry, but I'm afraid I can't help you then. The villages
of the Southern Forest are not property of the duchy, but a
protectorates of the duke's. You need to go down the hall, to the
right, the stairs up, then le...'
Enough was enough. Isrin had jumped up and grabbed the captain
by his collar.
'Listen, you...'
Before he could give the captain a piece of his mind, however,
he was hurled backwards and slammed hard into the ground by two burly
guards that looked as if spend their free time wrestling bears. Only
then he realised that attacking an officer in the headquarters
probably wasn't the smartest of moves.

'Isrin, Isrin. That could have ended really bad.'
Commander Rowrig took a careful sip from a delicate china cup.
Seeing him balance it the massive hands his, looking more fit for
crushing rocks, was quite an experience.
'You are lucky I was summoned by the ruckus, old friend.
Without someone convincing the captain that there had merely been a
misunderstanding... Let's just say that assaulting an officer is no
laughing matter.'
'The officer is.' Isrin grumbled.
'I choose not to have hear that. Although I have to admit
Captain Arris is a bit... peculiar. He's one of the replacements, you
see.'
Isrin did see. It was an open secret that the trouble in the
south took its toll, and the Duchy of Bonia was the one to pay it,
having no border to defend itself. Most of the duchy's original troops
had by now been transferred to Iorn, and the replacements consisted of
those they couldn't use; mostly anymore, but there were others as
well. Isrin could have sworn the captain belonged to the latter.
'Anyway, this isn't why you are here.'
The captain carefully put down his cup and studied the two
partially filled in forms he had taken from the captain's desk.
'I take it, you are actually looking for a runaway and not a
criminal?'
Isrin nodded and the captain stuffed one of the sheets into
the already overflowing waste-paper basket.
'That leaved one question, though: Why?'
'Because she has run away,' Isrin said firmly, 'and it doesn't
matter what her chances are. I've seen my share of runaways - if there
was anything left to be seen. But I'm not going to tell her parents
that I didn't do anything because I have simply given her up.'
A brief, but very uneasy silence ensued, although Isrin was at
a loss why. It wasn't as if he had asked the commander to comb the
forest, or something to that effect. Once he came to think of it, he
hadn't asked for anything... yet.
'Besides, all I need you to do is having the guards at the
gates keep an eye open for her.'
All of the sudden, the tension was gone. The commander exhaled
in relief; Isrin hadn't even realised he had been holding his breath.
'Well, if that's all... I guess I can do that. So you think
she's going to try and hide here?'
'Not as such,' Isrin said, 'there's reason to believe... She
is heading for the capital. She wants to partake in the trials.'
The captain started laughing, but then he noticed Isrin's
expression and amusement turned into disbelieve.
'But she's a girl! There's no way they'd ever let her enter
the order.'
'That's what we told her.'

Laiva put the flask down and grimaced. Stale water was bad enough, but
stale blood was outright vile; at least the moving stopped it from
clogging.
'Don't look at me like that.' she said to Mynor, who had shot
her a glance in answer.
'You have had all your life to get used to the taste. It's a
first for me.'
And the last time as well, if she could help it. How could
something being practically the same as blood sausage only taste so
unlike it? Still, it was better than nothing, and the rabbits had been
dead anyway. Going thirsty, while letting the blood go to waste would
just have been stupid. Until the river she had to take what she could
get.
--
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Neo
2009-01-02 13:16:55 UTC
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Post by emmel
I don't guarantee that there are less (or even only as much for that
matter) errors in this revised version, but I like it for the changes I
made. Feel free to disagree... (But tell me, dammit.)
It has only a little Laiva/Mynor moment, but there's some well needed
exposition. Hopefully it's not too obvious for what it is.
*****
'Just fill in that form, already.'
Isrin seriously wondered how you could run a military with
that much bureaucracy, but maybe there was so much bureaucracy here in
the headquarters to stop it from interfering where it mattered. That
didn't make him comfortable dealing with it, though. By now the sun
had reached the peak of its daily course, shining brilliantly through
the high windows, and he could only hope the boys didn't cause any
trouble; he had planned this to be over with in half an hour or an
hour at most.
'You have to understand that we can't issue a warrant just for
asking. There are procedures to be followed. So, what did the culprit
do?' Captain Arris asked.
He was sitting behind a massive desk, empty except for three
trays, inkstand, pen and a single page of paper, all of which had been
carefully aligned to the edge of the desk. It made Isrin's nails curl.
He took a deep breath.
'There is no culprit and I don't want to issue a warrant. Do
you never have missing persons around here?'
'Oh. About a missing person, I'm afraid you'll have to consult
with Cap...'
He stopped in mid-sentence when he saw Isrin's gaze, carefully
cultivated in his over thirty years as village warden. It was
remarkable how far you got just by looking at people the right way at
the right moment.
'On the other hand, I could make an exception, since you are
already here and everything.'
'That would be... kind of you.' Isrin answered, cutting down
on the irony in his voice as best as he could muster.
The captain opened a drawer of his desk and produced a single
sheet of paper, which he carefully placed on top of the one already on
the desk, making sure that the corners were exactly on top of each
other. Isrin flinched.
'So, this is the right form.' the captain finally said and too
took
Post by emmel
the pen.
'One: Name of the missing person.'
A lengthy pause ensued. The captain lifted his head, giving
Isrin a quizzical look, that he returned with a blank stare.
'You can't be serious.'
The captain looked confused.
'Why don't you just copy it from the other form? The one lying
below?'
'Well, I guess I could do that...'
'Oh, yes. I guess I could do that.'
Isrin rolled his eyes.
'So that's Laiva Azanee, female, eight years, dark hair, dark
eyes. Place of residency?'
'Pala, the village tavern.'
'Ah, sorry, but I'm afraid I can't help you then. The villages
of the Southern Forest are not property of the duchy, but a
protectorates of the duke's. You need to go down the hall, to the
right, the stairs up, then le...'
Enough was enough. Isrin had jumped up and grabbed the captain
by his collar.
'Listen, you...'
Before he could give the captain a piece of his mind, however,
he was hurled backwards and slammed hard into the ground by two burly
guards that looked as if spend their free time wrestling bears. Only
then he realised that attacking an officer in the headquarters
probably wasn't the smartest of moves.
'Isrin, Isrin. That could have ended really bad.'
Commander Rowrig took a careful sip from a delicate china cup.
Seeing him balance it the massive hands his, looking more fit for
crushing rocks, was quite an experience.
'You are lucky I was summoned by the ruckus, old friend.
Without someone convincing the captain that there had merely been a
misunderstanding... Let's just say that assaulting an officer is no
laughing matter.'
'The officer is.' Isrin grumbled.
'I choose not to have hear that. Although I have to admit
have heard
Post by emmel
Captain Arris is a bit... peculiar. He's one of the replacements, you
see.'
Isrin did see. It was an open secret that the trouble in the
south took its toll, and the Duchy of Bonia was the one to pay it,
having no border to defend itself. Most of the duchy's original troops
had by now been transferred to Iorn, and the replacements consisted of
those they couldn't use; mostly anymore, but there were others as
well. Isrin could have sworn the captain belonged to the latter.
'Anyway, this isn't why you are here.'
The captain carefully put down his cup and studied the two
partially filled in forms he had taken from the captain's desk.
'I take it, you are actually looking for a runaway and not a
criminal?'
Isrin nodded and the captain stuffed one of the sheets into
the already overflowing waste-paper basket.
'That leaved one question, though: Why?'
'Because she has run away,' Isrin said firmly, 'and it doesn't
matter what her chances are. I've seen my share of runaways - if there
was anything left to be seen. But I'm not going to tell her parents
that I didn't do anything because I have simply given her up.'
A brief, but very uneasy silence ensued, although Isrin was at
a loss why. It wasn't as if he had asked the commander to comb the
forest, or something to that effect. Once he came to think of it, he
hadn't asked for anything... yet.
'Besides, all I need you to do is having the guards at the
gates keep an eye open for her.'
All of the sudden, the tension was gone. The commander exhaled
in relief; Isrin hadn't even realised he had been holding his breath.
'Well, if that's all... I guess I can do that. So you think
she's going to try and hide here?'
'Not as such,' Isrin said, 'there's reason to believe... She
is heading for the capital. She wants to partake in the trials.'
The captain started laughing, but then he noticed Isrin's
expression and amusement turned into disbelieve.
'But she's a girl! There's no way they'd ever let her enter
the order.'
'That's what we told her.'
Laiva put the flask down and grimaced. Stale water was bad enough, but
stale blood was outright vile; at least the moving stopped it from
clogging.
'Don't look at me like that.' she said to Mynor, who had shot
her a glance in answer.
'You have had all your life to get used to the taste. It's a
first for me.'
And the last time as well, if she could help it. How could
something being practically the same as blood sausage only taste so
unlike it? Still, it was better than nothing, and the rabbits had been
dead anyway. Going thirsty, while letting the blood go to waste would
just have been stupid. Until the river she had to take what she could
get.
I wouldn't eat dead creatures from the forest before determining what
killed them. They could be sick. And if they laid there for too long you
could be eating maggots! I assume that would be unhealthy (as would
rotting flesh be).

Neo
--
Everything that has a beginning has an end.
emmel
2009-01-03 10:35:06 UTC
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Post by emmel
I don't guarantee that there are less (or even only as much for that
matter) errors in this revised version, but I like it for the changes I
made. Feel free to disagree... (But tell me, dammit.)
It has only a little Laiva/Mynor moment, but there's some well needed
exposition. Hopefully it's not too obvious for what it is.
*****
<snip>
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
'So, this is the right form.' the captain finally said and too
took
Oops.
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Post by emmel
'The officer is.' Isrin grumbled.
'I choose not to have hear that. Although I have to admit
have heard
Er, yes.
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Laiva put the flask down and grimaced. Stale water was bad enough, but
stale blood was outright vile; at least the moving stopped it from
clogging.
'Don't look at me like that.' she said to Mynor, who had shot
her a glance in answer.
'You have had all your life to get used to the taste. It's a
first for me.'
And the last time as well, if she could help it. How could
something being practically the same as blood sausage only taste so
unlike it? Still, it was better than nothing, and the rabbits had been
dead anyway. Going thirsty, while letting the blood go to waste would
just have been stupid. Until the river she had to take what she could
get.
I wouldn't eat dead creatures from the forest before determining what
killed them. They could be sick.
No problems there. All animals consumed have died from arrow wounds
and/or wolf bites.
Post by Neo
And if they laid there for too long you could be eating maggots!
Actually, there's no problem with eating maggots. Full of proteins.
Yummy.
Post by Neo
I assume that would be unhealthy (as would rotting flesh be).
Nah, although rotten flesh would be. It'd most likely give you food
poisoning.

What made you think Laiva would go for carrion anyway?
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Neo
2009-01-04 12:32:59 UTC
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Post by Neo
I wouldn't eat dead creatures from the forest before determining what
killed them. They could be sick.
No problems there. All animals consumed have died from arrow wounds
and/or wolf bites.
Post by Neo
And if they laid there for too long you could be eating maggots!
Actually, there's no problem with eating maggots. Full of proteins.
Yummy.
I'll take your word for it ;-)
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Post by Neo
I assume that would be unhealthy (as would rotting flesh be).
Nah, although rotten flesh would be. It'd most likely give you food
poisoning.
What made you think Laiva would go for carrion anyway?
She is eight years old right?

Neo
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emmel
2009-01-04 17:53:00 UTC
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<snip>
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Post by Neo
I wouldn't eat dead creatures from the forest before determining what
killed them. They could be sick.
No problems there. All animals consumed have died from arrow wounds
and/or wolf bites.
Post by Neo
And if they laid there for too long you could be eating maggots!
Actually, there's no problem with eating maggots. Full of proteins.
Yummy.
I'll take your word for it ;-)
Yup. And don't you eat my dinner.
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Post by Neo
I assume that would be unhealthy (as would rotting flesh be).
Nah, although rotten flesh would be. It'd most likely give you food
poisoning.
What made you think Laiva would go for carrion anyway?
She is eight years old right?
Yeah? So what?
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Neo
2009-01-05 12:13:36 UTC
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Post by Neo
I wouldn't eat dead creatures from the forest before determining what
killed them. They could be sick.
No problems there. All animals consumed have died from arrow wounds
and/or wolf bites.
Post by Neo
And if they laid there for too long you could be eating maggots!
Actually, there's no problem with eating maggots. Full of proteins.
Yummy.
I'll take your word for it ;-)
Yup. And don't you eat my dinner.
I hear (sterile) maggots also clean up bad wounds of patients because
they will only eat the rotting flesh and not the healthy flesh!
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Post by Neo
I assume that would be unhealthy (as would rotting flesh be).
Nah, although rotten flesh would be. It'd most likely give you food
poisoning.
What made you think Laiva would go for carrion anyway?
She is eight years old right?
Yeah? So what?
When you are eight years old you need someone that is older to tell you
not to eat stuff.

Neo
--
Everything that has a beginning has an end.
emmel
2009-01-05 12:36:55 UTC
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Post by emmel
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<snip>
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Post by Neo
I wouldn't eat dead creatures from the forest before determining what
killed them. They could be sick.
No problems there. All animals consumed have died from arrow wounds
and/or wolf bites.
Post by Neo
And if they laid there for too long you could be eating maggots!
Actually, there's no problem with eating maggots. Full of proteins.
Yummy.
I'll take your word for it ;-)
Yup. And don't you eat my dinner.
I hear (sterile) maggots also clean up bad wounds of patients because
they will only eat the rotting flesh and not the healthy flesh!
Yes. In contrast to surgical methods you don't use that many healthy
tissue, and if they don't carry any pathogens, they don't cause any
infections. You just have to remove them from the cleaned wound
afterwards, but tweezers work just fine, IIRC.
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Post by Neo
I assume that would be unhealthy (as would rotting flesh be).
Nah, although rotten flesh would be. It'd most likely give you food
poisoning.
What made you think Laiva would go for carrion anyway?
She is eight years old right?
Yeah? So what?
When you are eight years old you need someone that is older to tell you
not to eat stuff.
She is eight years old, has lived those eight years in the forest with
all that implies. Her dad has been taking her hunting for quite some
time and has therefore easily more survival skills than the two of us
together. You have to keep in mind that Laiva is not your average
super-market trained city-survival girl.
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2009-01-06 19:12:10 UTC
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I assume that would be unhealthy (as would rotting flesh be).
Nah, although rotten flesh would be. It'd most likely give you food
poisoning.
What made you think Laiva would go for carrion anyway?
She is eight years old right?
Yeah? So what?
When you are eight years old you need someone that is older to tell you
not to eat stuff.
She is eight years old, has lived those eight years in the forest with
all that implies. Her dad has been taking her hunting for quite some
time and has therefore easily more survival skills than the two of us
together. You have to keep in mind that Laiva is not your average
super-market trained city-survival girl.
Not to mention by the time a child's eight, they know better anyway.
We're not talking about spider-eating toddlers here.
Neo
2009-01-06 21:13:11 UTC
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I assume that would be unhealthy (as would rotting flesh be).
Nah, although rotten flesh would be. It'd most likely give you food
poisoning.
What made you think Laiva would go for carrion anyway?
She is eight years old right?
Yeah? So what?
When you are eight years old you need someone that is older to tell you
not to eat stuff.
She is eight years old, has lived those eight years in the forest with
all that implies. Her dad has been taking her hunting for quite some
time and has therefore easily more survival skills than the two of us
together. You have to keep in mind that Laiva is not your average
super-market trained city-survival girl.
Not to mention by the time a child's eight, they know better anyway.
We're not talking about spider-eating toddlers here.
Toddlers don't run off into a hostile dark forest.

And an eight year old wouldn't know how sick you can get from eating
meat gone bad. I am not even sure they understand the concept of dying,
though Laiva obviously does.

Neo
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emmel
2009-01-07 08:36:11 UTC
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I assume that would be unhealthy (as would rotting flesh be).
Nah, although rotten flesh would be. It'd most likely give you food
poisoning.
What made you think Laiva would go for carrion anyway?
She is eight years old right?
Yeah? So what?
When you are eight years old you need someone that is older to tell you
not to eat stuff.
She is eight years old, has lived those eight years in the forest with
all that implies. Her dad has been taking her hunting for quite some
time and has therefore easily more survival skills than the two of us
together. You have to keep in mind that Laiva is not your average
super-market trained city-survival girl.
Not to mention by the time a child's eight, they know better anyway.
We're not talking about spider-eating toddlers here.
Toddlers don't run off into a hostile dark forest.
And an eight year old wouldn't know how sick you can get from eating
meat gone bad. I am not even sure they understand the concept of dying,
though Laiva obviously does.
It depends greatly on where you grow up and under which circumstances.
She might not grasp the full extend of 'dying', but most children at
that age are aware than a life will/may come to an end. Few are ignorant
enough never to look on their table. There has although been the one or
other 'incident' in her life time. Parents try to shield their children
from than kind of thing, but why would they lie about people dying?
Laiva in particular has a very good idea where the food in the
pantry gets from, and has learned how to gut your catch. You can take
for granted that her parents would have told her about food going bad as
well. After all that kind is not only important for the business
(running an inn, remember), but a potential life saver as well.
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emmel
2009-01-07 08:28:45 UTC
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When you are eight years old you need someone that is older to tell you
not to eat stuff.
She is eight years old, has lived those eight years in the forest with
all that implies. Her dad has been taking her hunting for quite some
time and has therefore easily more survival skills than the two of us
together. You have to keep in mind that Laiva is not your average
super-market trained city-survival girl.
Not to mention by the time a child's eight, they know better anyway.
We're not talking about spider-eating toddlers here.
Isn't that something adolescent idiots do? Anyway, you are completely
right, of course.
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Neo
2009-01-07 13:59:45 UTC
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When you are eight years old you need someone that is older to tell you
not to eat stuff.
She is eight years old, has lived those eight years in the forest with
all that implies. Her dad has been taking her hunting for quite some
time and has therefore easily more survival skills than the two of us
together. You have to keep in mind that Laiva is not your average
super-market trained city-survival girl.
Not to mention by the time a child's eight, they know better anyway.
We're not talking about spider-eating toddlers here.
Isn't that something adolescent idiots do? Anyway, you are completely
right, of course.
I once ate a spider to impress a girl that was afraid of them (very
afraid I might add, like panic total heart failure afraid).

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Red Dragon
2009-01-07 19:32:44 UTC
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Post by emmel
Post by Neo
When you are eight years old you need someone that is older to tell you
not to eat stuff.
She is eight years old, has lived those eight years in the forest with
all that implies. Her dad has been taking her hunting for quite some
time and has therefore easily more survival skills than the two of us
together. You have to keep in mind that Laiva is not your average
super-market trained city-survival girl.
Not to mention by the time a child's eight, they know better anyway.
We're not talking about spider-eating toddlers here.
Isn't that something adolescent idiots do? Anyway, you are completely
right, of course.
I once ate a spider to impress a girl that was afraid of them (very
afraid I might add, like panic total heart failure afraid).
Neo
Did it just gross her out? I'm not as arachnophobic as I used to be, but
I'm pretty sure a guy doing that to impress me would just give me the
heebie-jeebies. And I'd probably be unreasonably suspicious that the
spider might crawl back out.
Neo
2009-01-07 19:47:02 UTC
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Post by Red Dragon
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
When you are eight years old you need someone that is older to tell you
not to eat stuff.
She is eight years old, has lived those eight years in the forest with
all that implies. Her dad has been taking her hunting for quite some
time and has therefore easily more survival skills than the two of us
together. You have to keep in mind that Laiva is not your average
super-market trained city-survival girl.
Not to mention by the time a child's eight, they know better anyway.
We're not talking about spider-eating toddlers here.
Isn't that something adolescent idiots do? Anyway, you are completely
right, of course.
I once ate a spider to impress a girl that was afraid of them (very
afraid I might add, like panic total heart failure afraid).
Neo
Did it just gross her out? I'm not as arachnophobic as I used to be, but
I'm pretty sure a guy doing that to impress me would just give me the
heebie-jeebies. And I'd probably be unreasonably suspicious that the
spider might crawl back out.
I guess it did gross her out.

But I was trying to make a point about who was on top in the food chain.
A spider or me. I don't think there are any poisonous spiders in Holland
so the risk I took was little. It also was a very small spider ;-)

Neo
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emmel
2009-01-07 21:24:33 UTC
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Post by Neo
I once ate a spider to impress a girl that was afraid of them (very
afraid I might add, like panic total heart failure afraid).
Did it just gross her out? I'm not as arachnophobic as I used to be, but
I'm pretty sure a guy doing that to impress me would just give me the
heebie-jeebies. And I'd probably be unreasonably suspicious that the
spider might crawl back out.
I guess it did gross her out.
It would have me. I'm fine as long as they keep twenty centimetres
distance from me or so, but eating them so crosses the line...
Anyway, I'll make sure to remember not to let you anywhere close Laiva's
home without supervision. I really don't want to know what would happen
if I let you loose there - to you *and* the environment.
Post by Neo
But I was trying to make a point about who was on top in the food chain.
A spider or me. I don't think there are any poisonous spiders in Holland
so the risk I took was little.
So far nothing dangerous in good old Europe. Which is why we can be so
damn relaxed about any animals we come across - unless it's a bear.
There are a few wolves and lynxes, but these shy from humans.
Post by Neo
It also was a very small spider ;-)
What has that to do with anything?
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Post by Neo
I once ate a spider to impress a girl that was afraid of them (very
afraid I might add, like panic total heart failure afraid).
Did it just gross her out? I'm not as arachnophobic as I used to be, but
I'm pretty sure a guy doing that to impress me would just give me the
heebie-jeebies. And I'd probably be unreasonably suspicious that the
spider might crawl back out.
I guess it did gross her out.
It would have me. I'm fine as long as they keep twenty centimetres
distance from me or so, but eating them so crosses the line...
Anyway, I'll make sure to remember not to let you anywhere close Laiva's
home without supervision. I really don't want to know what would happen
if I let you loose there - to you *and* the environment.
What about maggots? Rich in protein you say?? You know what maggots
crawl around in?! I'd rather feast on spiders!!
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
But I was trying to make a point about who was on top in the food chain.
A spider or me. I don't think there are any poisonous spiders in Holland
so the risk I took was little.
So far nothing dangerous in good old Europe. Which is why we can be so
damn relaxed about any animals we come across - unless it's a bear.
There are a few wolves and lynxes, but these shy from humans.
I wouldn't eat red ants or bees or wasps. Maybe cooked, but not raw.

Neo
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emmel
2009-01-09 22:29:58 UTC
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Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by Red Dragon
Post by Neo
I once ate a spider to impress a girl that was afraid of them (very
afraid I might add, like panic total heart failure afraid).
Did it just gross her out? I'm not as arachnophobic as I used to be, but
I'm pretty sure a guy doing that to impress me would just give me the
heebie-jeebies. And I'd probably be unreasonably suspicious that the
spider might crawl back out.
I guess it did gross her out.
It would have me. I'm fine as long as they keep twenty centimetres
distance from me or so, but eating them so crosses the line...
Anyway, I'll make sure to remember not to let you anywhere close Laiva's
home without supervision. I really don't want to know what would happen
if I let you loose there - to you *and* the environment.
What about maggots? Rich in protein you say??
Exactly. It's good for you.
Post by Neo
You know what maggots crawl around in?!
Yup. Dead tissue if they can get it, not much different from what we
eat, actually. Well, some prefer faeces, but you don't have to go for
those, do you?
Post by Neo
I'd rather feast on spiders!!
Those are all chitin and no meat. What's the point?
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
But I was trying to make a point about who was on top in the food
chain. A spider or me. I don't think there are any poisonous
spiders in Holland so the risk I took was little.
So far nothing dangerous in good old Europe. Which is why we can be
so damn relaxed about any animals we come across - unless it's a
bear. There are a few wolves and lynxes, but these shy from humans.
I wouldn't eat red ants or bees or wasps. Maybe cooked, but not raw.
Well, there is the problem with them biting you, so killing them
beforehand might be advisable. I'm not sure what the ant's acid would to
your digestive system, but I'm pretty confident that wouldn't be a real
problem. Should be a lot less concentrated than the stuff we already
have in the stomach. End of rant.
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2009-01-10 10:55:26 UTC
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Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by Red Dragon
Post by Neo
I once ate a spider to impress a girl that was afraid of them (very
afraid I might add, like panic total heart failure afraid).
Did it just gross her out? I'm not as arachnophobic as I used to be, but
I'm pretty sure a guy doing that to impress me would just give me the
heebie-jeebies. And I'd probably be unreasonably suspicious that the
spider might crawl back out.
I guess it did gross her out.
It would have me. I'm fine as long as they keep twenty centimetres
distance from me or so, but eating them so crosses the line...
Anyway, I'll make sure to remember not to let you anywhere close Laiva's
home without supervision. I really don't want to know what would happen
if I let you loose there - to you *and* the environment.
What about maggots? Rich in protein you say??
Exactly. It's good for you.
Post by Neo
You know what maggots crawl around in?!
Yup. Dead tissue if they can get it, not much different from what we
eat, actually. Well, some prefer faeces, but you don't have to go for
those, do you?
So they have rotting flesh outside their bodies and inside their
stomach! Excuse me if I skip having dinner at your place.
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
I'd rather feast on spiders!!
Those are all chitin and no meat. What's the point?
It gives you a full feeling in your stomach.
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
But I was trying to make a point about who was on top in the food
chain. A spider or me. I don't think there are any poisonous
spiders in Holland so the risk I took was little.
So far nothing dangerous in good old Europe. Which is why we can be
so damn relaxed about any animals we come across - unless it's a
bear. There are a few wolves and lynxes, but these shy from humans.
I wouldn't eat red ants or bees or wasps. Maybe cooked, but not raw.
Well, there is the problem with them biting you, so killing them
beforehand might be advisable. I'm not sure what the ant's acid would to
your digestive system, but I'm pretty confident that wouldn't be a real
problem. Should be a lot less concentrated than the stuff we already
have in the stomach. End of rant.
If the acid somehow makes it's way near your air pipe you might be in
serious trouble. Don't eat poisonous beasts!

Neo
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emmel
2009-01-12 09:34:45 UTC
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Post by emmel
Post by Neo
You know what maggots crawl around in?!
Yup. Dead tissue if they can get it, not much different from what we
eat, actually. Well, some prefer faeces, but you don't have to go for
those, do you?
So they have rotting flesh outside their bodies and inside their
stomach! Excuse me if I skip having dinner at your place.
Um... have you ever eaten pork?
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
I'd rather feast on spiders!!
Those are all chitin and no meat. What's the point?
It gives you a full feeling in your stomach.
So does paper.
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
I wouldn't eat red ants or bees or wasps. Maybe cooked, but not raw.
Well, there is the problem with them biting you, so killing them
beforehand might be advisable. I'm not sure what the ant's acid would to
your digestive system, but I'm pretty confident that wouldn't be a real
problem. Should be a lot less concentrated than the stuff we already
have in the stomach. End of rant.
If the acid somehow makes it's way near your air pipe you might be in
serious trouble. Don't eat poisonous beasts!
Acidic. Most poisonous ones are fine.
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2009-01-09 19:39:28 UTC
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Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
When you are eight years old you need someone that is older to tell you
not to eat stuff.
She is eight years old, has lived those eight years in the forest with
all that implies. Her dad has been taking her hunting for quite some
time and has therefore easily more survival skills than the two of us
together. You have to keep in mind that Laiva is not your average
super-market trained city-survival girl.
Not to mention by the time a child's eight, they know better anyway.
We're not talking about spider-eating toddlers here.
Isn't that something adolescent idiots do? Anyway, you are completely
right, of course.
I once ate a spider to impress a girl that was afraid of them (very
afraid I might add, like panic total heart failure afraid).
Neo
Did it just gross her out? I'm not as arachnophobic as I used to be, but
I'm pretty sure a guy doing that to impress me would just give me the
heebie-jeebies. And I'd probably be unreasonably suspicious that the
spider might crawl back out.
I guess it did gross her out.
But I was trying to make a point about who was on top in the food chain.
A spider or me. I don't think there are any poisonous spiders in Holland
so the risk I took was little. It also was a very small spider ;-)
Neo
Yeeeahh... The thing about the spiders around here is they tend to be
Black Widows, Yellow Sac Spiders, large Wolf Spiders, or Tarantulas.
emmel
2009-01-09 22:32:17 UTC
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Post by Neo
But I was trying to make a point about who was on top in the food chain.
A spider or me. I don't think there are any poisonous spiders in Holland
so the risk I took was little. It also was a very small spider ;-)
Yeeeahh... The thing about the spiders around here is they tend to be
Black Widows, Yellow Sac Spiders, large Wolf Spiders, or Tarantulas.
That's what you get for living on the wrong continent ;-) Could be
worse, though, Australia is really no fun in this respect. With those
around I would develop any number of phobias.
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2009-01-10 18:27:17 UTC
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Post by Neo
But I was trying to make a point about who was on top in the food chain.
A spider or me. I don't think there are any poisonous spiders in Holland
so the risk I took was little. It also was a very small spider ;-)
Yeeeahh... The thing about the spiders around here is they tend to be
Black Widows, Yellow Sac Spiders, large Wolf Spiders, or Tarantulas.
That's what you get for living on the wrong continent ;-) Could be
worse, though, Australia is really no fun in this respect. With those
around I would develop any number of phobias.
Well, ya know... It's very easy to be lazy and keep living on the same
continent one was popped into existence on. Plus, high-level monsters
tend to be between starting locations and you have to level up a bit
before you go anywhere. That or be very good and dodging and running.
Neo
2009-01-10 19:34:34 UTC
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Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Post by Neo
But I was trying to make a point about who was on top in the food chain.
A spider or me. I don't think there are any poisonous spiders in Holland
so the risk I took was little. It also was a very small spider ;-)
Yeeeahh... The thing about the spiders around here is they tend to be
Black Widows, Yellow Sac Spiders, large Wolf Spiders, or Tarantulas.
That's what you get for living on the wrong continent ;-) Could be
worse, though, Australia is really no fun in this respect. With those
around I would develop any number of phobias.
Well, ya know... It's very easy to be lazy and keep living on the same
continent one was popped into existence on. Plus, high-level monsters
tend to be between starting locations and you have to level up a bit
before you go anywhere. That or be very good and dodging and running.
You'll be fine as long as you stay on the yellow brick road!
And no small chat with wolves that have a collar around their necks!

Neo
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Red Dragon
2009-01-12 06:42:27 UTC
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Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Post by Neo
But I was trying to make a point about who was on top in the food chain.
A spider or me. I don't think there are any poisonous spiders in Holland
so the risk I took was little. It also was a very small spider ;-)
Yeeeahh... The thing about the spiders around here is they tend to be
Black Widows, Yellow Sac Spiders, large Wolf Spiders, or Tarantulas.
That's what you get for living on the wrong continent ;-) Could be
worse, though, Australia is really no fun in this respect. With those
around I would develop any number of phobias.
Well, ya know... It's very easy to be lazy and keep living on the same
continent one was popped into existence on. Plus, high-level monsters
tend to be between starting locations and you have to level up a bit
before you go anywhere. That or be very good and dodging and running.
You'll be fine as long as you stay on the yellow brick road!
And no small chat with wolves that have a collar around their necks!
Neo
But they're the ones with the candy!
emmel
2009-01-12 09:38:14 UTC
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Post by Neo
Post by Red Dragon
Well, ya know... It's very easy to be lazy and keep living on the same
continent one was popped into existence on. Plus, high-level monsters
tend to be between starting locations and you have to level up a bit
before you go anywhere. That or be very good and dodging and running.
You'll be fine as long as you stay on the yellow brick road!
And no small chat with wolves that have a collar around their necks!
But they're the ones with the candy!
::hands Red Dragon a bag of candy::
Here you go.
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2009-01-13 18:47:25 UTC
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Post by Red Dragon
Well, ya know... It's very easy to be lazy and keep living on the same
continent one was popped into existence on. Plus, high-level monsters
tend to be between starting locations and you have to level up a bit
before you go anywhere. That or be very good and dodging and running.
You'll be fine as long as you stay on the yellow brick road!
And no small chat with wolves that have a collar around their necks!
But they're the ones with the candy!
Here you go.
Yay! I like like the ones that melt down the back of my throat due to
the intense heat! Wait, they all do that...
emmel
2009-01-14 20:53:36 UTC
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Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Post by Neo
Post by Red Dragon
Well, ya know... It's very easy to be lazy and keep living on the same
continent one was popped into existence on. Plus, high-level monsters
tend to be between starting locations and you have to level up a bit
before you go anywhere. That or be very good and dodging and running.
You'll be fine as long as you stay on the yellow brick road!
And no small chat with wolves that have a collar around their necks!
But they're the ones with the candy!
Here you go.
Yay! I like like the ones that melt down the back of my throat due to
the intense heat! Wait, they all do that...
Hm... what about this special ice candy?
::hands Red Dragon a box::
Careful, though. They are not that much ice as they are special.
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2009-01-15 06:58:32 UTC
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Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Post by Neo
Post by Red Dragon
Well, ya know... It's very easy to be lazy and keep living on the same
continent one was popped into existence on. Plus, high-level monsters
tend to be between starting locations and you have to level up a bit
before you go anywhere. That or be very good and dodging and running.
You'll be fine as long as you stay on the yellow brick road!
And no small chat with wolves that have a collar around their necks!
But they're the ones with the candy!
Here you go.
Yay! I like like the ones that melt down the back of my throat due to
the intense heat! Wait, they all do that...
Hm... what about this special ice candy?
Careful, though. They are not that much ice as they are special.
I dunno... I suspect inexplicable explosions...
Red Dragon
2009-01-15 18:27:25 UTC
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Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
But they're the ones with the candy!
Here you go.
Yay! I like like the ones that melt down the back of my throat due to
the intense heat! Wait, they all do that...
Hm... what about this special ice candy?
Careful, though. They are not that much ice as they are special.
I dunno... I suspect inexplicable explosions...
Nah, there's not enough liquid nitrogen in it for that.
Well, I did say inexplicable. Enough liquid nitrogen would make an
excellent explanation.
emmel
2009-01-15 20:19:05 UTC
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Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Hm... what about this special ice candy?
Careful, though. They are not that much ice as they are special.
I dunno... I suspect inexplicable explosions...
Nah, there's not enough liquid nitrogen in it for that.
Well, I did say inexplicable. Enough liquid nitrogen would make an
excellent explanation.
Actually, liquid Nitrogen just smokes a bit and not much else. You can
even poor it over your hand without anything happening. Now if you have
a can full of liquid Helium, say a hundred litres... Have been
explicitly warned about that. If the stuff starts to cook: Run.
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Post by emmel
Hm... what about this special ice candy?
Careful, though. They are not that much ice as they are special.
I dunno... I suspect inexplicable explosions...
Nah, there's not enough liquid nitrogen in it for that.
Well, I did say inexplicable. Enough liquid nitrogen would make an
excellent explanation.
Actually, liquid Nitrogen just smokes a bit and not much else. You can
even poor it over your hand without anything happening. Now if you have
a can full of liquid Helium, say a hundred litres... Have been
explicitly warned about that. If the stuff starts to cook: Run.
::dons science pants::

It's because the heat from your hand turns the liquid nitrogen into gas
so fast that the cold liquid never actually touches your skin. :P

And also... Yay! Fun with sub-zero liquid gases!
emmel
2009-01-16 12:26:05 UTC
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Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Hm... what about this special ice candy?
Careful, though. They are not that much ice as they are special.
I dunno... I suspect inexplicable explosions...
Nah, there's not enough liquid nitrogen in it for that.
Well, I did say inexplicable. Enough liquid nitrogen would make an
excellent explanation.
Actually, liquid Nitrogen just smokes a bit and not much else. You can
even poor it over your hand without anything happening. Now if you have
a can full of liquid Helium, say a hundred litres... Have been
explicitly warned about that. If the stuff starts to cook: Run.
It's because the heat from your hand turns the liquid nitrogen into gas
so fast that the cold liquid never actually touches your skin. :P
Erm no, not at all. That's exactly what does *not* happen - the
vaporisation heat would cool your hands down and you'd suffer severe
cold burns. What happens is that the fat layer of your hands provides
sufficient isolation until that stuff has run down your hands and onto
the ground which usually happens to be a lot less susceptible to cold
than you are and thus harmlessly steams away.
Post by Red Dragon
And also... Yay! Fun with sub-zero liquid gases!
Yup, they are fun. (You do mean zero as in zero Celsius and not Kelvin,
don't you?)
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2009-01-17 03:58:16 UTC
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Post by emmel
Hm... what about this special ice candy?
Careful, though. They are not that much ice as they are special.
I dunno... I suspect inexplicable explosions...
Nah, there's not enough liquid nitrogen in it for that.
Well, I did say inexplicable. Enough liquid nitrogen would make an
excellent explanation.
Actually, liquid Nitrogen just smokes a bit and not much else. You can
even poor it over your hand without anything happening. Now if you have
a can full of liquid Helium, say a hundred litres... Have been
explicitly warned about that. If the stuff starts to cook: Run.
It's because the heat from your hand turns the liquid nitrogen into gas
so fast that the cold liquid never actually touches your skin. :P
Erm no, not at all. That's exactly what does *not* happen - the
vaporisation heat would cool your hands down and you'd suffer severe
cold burns. What happens is that the fat layer of your hands provides
sufficient isolation until that stuff has run down your hands and onto
the ground which usually happens to be a lot less susceptible to cold
than you are and thus harmlessly steams away.
Hmm, wrong pants... ::looks for an identity label::

Although, I could've sworn that happens somewhere. Perhaps it more had
to do with a nitrogen-in-the-mouth trick. A brief trick, to be sure.

Oh well. Now my knowledge is just that more vast. :D
And it's always so weird to become aware of the fat layer on one's
hands. Bleach reveals the fat's existence too, but in a slightly more
disturbing way.
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Post by Red Dragon
And also... Yay! Fun with sub-zero liquid gases!
Yup, they are fun. (You do mean zero as in zero Celsius and not Kelvin,
don't you?)
Well, seeing as 0K is completely devoid of any heat energy at all,
sub-zero K would be pretty hard to imagine.

Technically I might have meant Fahrenheit, since that's what my heathen
American society taught me. But really, all the fun liquid gases would
be sub-zero for either of them.

(If this is a multiple post, I blame everybody but myself)
emmel
2009-01-17 16:29:23 UTC
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Post by emmel
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Post by emmel
Actually, liquid Nitrogen just smokes a bit and not much else. You can
even poor it over your hand without anything happening. Now if you have
a can full of liquid Helium, say a hundred litres... Have been
explicitly warned about that. If the stuff starts to cook: Run.
It's because the heat from your hand turns the liquid nitrogen into gas
so fast that the cold liquid never actually touches your skin. :P
Erm no, not at all. That's exactly what does *not* happen - the
vaporisation heat would cool your hands down and you'd suffer severe
cold burns. What happens is that the fat layer of your hands provides
sufficient isolation until that stuff has run down your hands and onto
the ground which usually happens to be a lot less susceptible to cold
than you are and thus harmlessly steams away.
Does it say 'smart arse' ;-?
Post by Red Dragon
Although, I could've sworn that happens somewhere. Perhaps it more had
to do with a nitrogen-in-the-mouth trick. A brief trick, to be sure.
Sounds rather painful...
Post by Red Dragon
Oh well. Now my knowledge is just that more vast. :D
And it's always so weird to become aware of the fat layer on one's
hands. Bleach reveals the fat's existence too, but in a slightly more
disturbing way.
The best way to become aware of it it washing your hands with acetone.
They feel seriously weird after that. I have somewhat dry hands to begin
with, but after that, they are like paper or something.
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
And also... Yay! Fun with sub-zero liquid gases!
Yup, they are fun. (You do mean zero as in zero Celsius and not Kelvin,
don't you?)
Well, seeing as 0K is completely devoid of any heat energy at all,
sub-zero K would be pretty hard to imagine.
And 0K impossible to reach anyway. But who knows, with dragons and
murderous carpets, and who norns eating immortal elephants...
Post by Red Dragon
Technically I might have meant Fahrenheit, since that's what my heathen
American society taught me.
Oh, yeah. That. One of the most stupid measuring systems still in use,
furlongs and leagues included. Anyway, let's see... That would be −17,8
°C. So what were we talking about again?
Post by Red Dragon
But really, all the fun liquid gases would
be sub-zero for either of them.
Point.
Post by Red Dragon
(If this is a multiple post, I blame everybody but myself)
I don't think it is...
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Red Dragon
2009-01-17 19:57:33 UTC
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Actually, liquid Nitrogen just smokes a bit and not much else. You can
even poor it over your hand without anything happening. Now if you have
a can full of liquid Helium, say a hundred litres... Have been
explicitly warned about that. If the stuff starts to cook: Run.
It's because the heat from your hand turns the liquid nitrogen into gas
so fast that the cold liquid never actually touches your skin. :P
Erm no, not at all. That's exactly what does *not* happen - the
vaporisation heat would cool your hands down and you'd suffer severe
cold burns. What happens is that the fat layer of your hands provides
sufficient isolation until that stuff has run down your hands and onto
the ground which usually happens to be a lot less susceptible to cold
than you are and thus harmlessly steams away.
Does it say 'smart arse' ;-?
Actually, they're my misinformation pants... I could've sworn the
presidential administration stole them a while ago. I really should just
burn them.
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Although, I could've sworn that happens somewhere. Perhaps it more had
to do with a nitrogen-in-the-mouth trick. A brief trick, to be sure.
Sounds rather painful...
I really don't know how it works, and in retrospect, I shouldn't believe
a person's reasoning if that person can't even remember how the trick
works and swallows the stuff instead.
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Oh well. Now my knowledge is just that more vast. :D
And it's always so weird to become aware of the fat layer on one's
hands. Bleach reveals the fat's existence too, but in a slightly more
disturbing way.
The best way to become aware of it it washing your hands with acetone.
They feel seriously weird after that. I have somewhat dry hands to begin
with, but after that, they are like paper or something.
Out of curiosity, why would one wash their hands with acetone? I'm
really only familiar with it's usage as nail polish remover and paint
thinner.

As for dry hands, I have that issue too. Even commercial soap dries them
out something fierce, which is why I make my own soap.
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
And also... Yay! Fun with sub-zero liquid gases!
Yup, they are fun. (You do mean zero as in zero Celsius and not Kelvin,
don't you?)
Well, seeing as 0K is completely devoid of any heat energy at all,
sub-zero K would be pretty hard to imagine.
And 0K impossible to reach anyway. But who knows, with dragons and
murderous carpets, and who norns eating immortal elephants...
I thought we always had that one corner in the basement that was
consistently 0K for some perplexing reason... Or the thermometer in
there is inaccurate.
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Technically I might have meant Fahrenheit, since that's what my heathen
American society taught me.
Oh, yeah. That. One of the most stupid measuring systems still in use,
furlongs and leagues included. Anyway, let's see... That would be −17,8
°C. So what were we talking about again?
I wish the American systems of measurement would just switch over
already, but I understand that would be a big production. I personally
work in both popular kinds, so it wouldn't bother me so much.
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
But really, all the fun liquid gases would
be sub-zero for either of them.
Point.
Post by Red Dragon
(If this is a multiple post, I blame everybody but myself)
I don't think it is...
There were news server issues. I always get suspicious when I have to
press the send key more than once, even if it told me nothing was posted.
emmel
2009-01-17 21:06:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Does it say 'smart arse' ;-?
Actually, they're my misinformation pants... I could've sworn the
Ah, damn. I though you might accidentally found them; seems I've mislaid
them...
Post by Red Dragon
presidential administration stole them a while ago. I really should just
burn them.
Probably, but won't they consider burning the presidential
administration an act of terrorism? They do almost anything else...
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Although, I could've sworn that happens somewhere. Perhaps it more had
to do with a nitrogen-in-the-mouth trick. A brief trick, to be sure.
Sounds rather painful...
I really don't know how it works, and in retrospect, I shouldn't believe
a person's reasoning if that person can't even remember how the trick
works and swallows the stuff instead.
::shrugs::
I wouldn't put it in my mouth, that much is clear. I mean really small
amounts probably wouldn't hurt, but would I blindly rely on my
calculations?
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
The best way to become aware of it it washing your hands with acetone.
They feel seriously weird after that. I have somewhat dry hands to begin
with, but after that, they are like paper or something.
Out of curiosity, why would one wash their hands with acetone? I'm
really only familiar with it's usage as nail polish remover and paint
thinner.
Well, for one thing you don't. The R and S sets(?) (chemical danger
categorisation) say that it shouldn't get in contact with your skin and
you are supposed to go to the doctor when accidentally breathing in the
fumes. That said, in chemistry it's used for cleaning just about
anything, it's probably the second most used chemical after
desalinated/distilled water (not taking into consideration the oxygen in
the air). And when cleaning stuff it tends to get on your hands,
sometimes in deliberate amounts. It's just the kind of thing you do.
Post by Red Dragon
As for dry hands, I have that issue too. Even commercial soap dries them
out something fierce, which is why I make my own soap.
Nah, I use standard soap. My hands aren't *that* dry, just a lot drier
than other people's seem to be. I probably *should* cream them now and
then, but I can't stand smearing cream on things.
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
And also... Yay! Fun with sub-zero liquid gases!
Yup, they are fun. (You do mean zero as in zero Celsius and not Kelvin,
don't you?)
Well, seeing as 0K is completely devoid of any heat energy at all,
sub-zero K would be pretty hard to imagine.
And 0K impossible to reach anyway. But who knows, with dragons and
murderous carpets, and who norns eating immortal elephants...
I thought we always had that one corner in the basement that was
consistently 0K for some perplexing reason... Or the thermometer in
there is inaccurate.
A thermometer that goes down to zero Kelvin?! I'm not quite sure if that
works (probably does), but that kind of thing usually comes as a metal
wire, lengthy calibration tables and expensive measuring equipment.
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Technically I might have meant Fahrenheit, since that's what my heathen
American society taught me.
Oh, yeah. That. One of the most stupid measuring systems still in use,
furlongs and leagues included. Anyway, let's see... That would be −17,8
°C. So what were we talking about again?
I wish the American systems of measurement would just switch over
already, but I understand that would be a big production. I personally
work in both popular kinds, so it wouldn't bother me so much.
'popular kinds'? I don't think I got that part. In any case, using SI
units for everything rules. Makes things a lot easier.
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
(If this is a multiple post, I blame everybody but myself)
I don't think it is...
There were news server issues. I always get suspicious when I have to
press the send key more than once, even if it told me nothing was posted.
I see. Been there, done that.
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Red Dragon
2009-01-18 17:21:12 UTC
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Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Does it say 'smart arse' ;-?
Actually, they're my misinformation pants... I could've sworn the
Ah, damn. I though you might accidentally found them; seems I've mislaid
them...
Why would I have any pants of yours? :)
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
presidential administration stole them a while ago. I really should just
burn them.
Probably, but won't they consider burning the presidential
administration an act of terrorism? They do almost anything else...
Yeah, they get pretty cranky even if you just try to burn a flag improperly.
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Although, I could've sworn that happens somewhere. Perhaps it more had
to do with a nitrogen-in-the-mouth trick. A brief trick, to be sure.
Sounds rather painful...
I really don't know how it works, and in retrospect, I shouldn't believe
a person's reasoning if that person can't even remember how the trick
works and swallows the stuff instead.
I wouldn't put it in my mouth, that much is clear. I mean really small
amounts probably wouldn't hurt, but would I blindly rely on my
calculations?
Personally, I prefer leaving the nitrogen in a safe container and
dipping various things it. Like Koosh balls.
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
The best way to become aware of it it washing your hands with acetone.
They feel seriously weird after that. I have somewhat dry hands to begin
with, but after that, they are like paper or something.
Out of curiosity, why would one wash their hands with acetone? I'm
really only familiar with it's usage as nail polish remover and paint
thinner.
Well, for one thing you don't. The R and S sets(?) (chemical danger
categorisation) say that it shouldn't get in contact with your skin and
you are supposed to go to the doctor when accidentally breathing in the
fumes. That said, in chemistry it's used for cleaning just about
anything, it's probably the second most used chemical after
desalinated/distilled water (not taking into consideration the oxygen in
the air). And when cleaning stuff it tends to get on your hands,
sometimes in deliberate amounts. It's just the kind of thing you do.
Post by Red Dragon
As for dry hands, I have that issue too. Even commercial soap dries them
out something fierce, which is why I make my own soap.
Nah, I use standard soap. My hands aren't *that* dry, just a lot drier
than other people's seem to be. I probably *should* cream them now and
then, but I can't stand smearing cream on things.
My own soap prevents me having to use cream. I don't really like using
electronics after I've put moisturizer on my hands, so I tend not to
want to restrict myself like that.
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
And also... Yay! Fun with sub-zero liquid gases!
Yup, they are fun. (You do mean zero as in zero Celsius and not Kelvin,
don't you?)
Well, seeing as 0K is completely devoid of any heat energy at all,
sub-zero K would be pretty hard to imagine.
And 0K impossible to reach anyway. But who knows, with dragons and
murderous carpets, and who norns eating immortal elephants...
I thought we always had that one corner in the basement that was
consistently 0K for some perplexing reason... Or the thermometer in
there is inaccurate.
A thermometer that goes down to zero Kelvin?! I'm not quite sure if that
works (probably does), but that kind of thing usually comes as a metal
wire, lengthy calibration tables and expensive measuring equipment.
Well, the basement *is* full of wonders and mysteries...
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Technically I might have meant Fahrenheit, since that's what my heathen
American society taught me.
Oh, yeah. That. One of the most stupid measuring systems still in use,
furlongs and leagues included. Anyway, let's see... That would be −17,8
°C. So what were we talking about again?
I wish the American systems of measurement would just switch over
already, but I understand that would be a big production. I personally
work in both popular kinds, so it wouldn't bother me so much.
'popular kinds'? I don't think I got that part. In any case, using SI
units for everything rules. Makes things a lot easier.
What I mean is U.S Customary (or Imperial) Units and SI. There are a few
measurements that are not actually a part of those two systems that I'm
unfamiliar with, like nautical miles.

SI is so much simpler. Imperial is just so full of arbitrary numbers.
Volume measurements are especially hard for me to remember all of them.
emmel
2009-01-18 18:05:30 UTC
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Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Does it say 'smart arse' ;-?
Actually, they're my misinformation pants... I could've sworn the
Ah, damn. I though you might accidentally found them; seems I've mislaid
them...
Why would I have any pants of yours? :)
Stranger things have happened in AGC. Besides, there are plenty of
reasons of borrowing someone else's pants.
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
presidential administration stole them a while ago. I really should just
burn them.
Probably, but won't they consider burning the presidential
administration an act of terrorism? They do almost anything else...
Yeah, they get pretty cranky even if you just try to burn a flag improperly.
Is there a proper way to burn a flag?
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Although, I could've sworn that happens somewhere. Perhaps it more had
to do with a nitrogen-in-the-mouth trick. A brief trick, to be sure.
Sounds rather painful...
I really don't know how it works, and in retrospect, I shouldn't believe
a person's reasoning if that person can't even remember how the trick
works and swallows the stuff instead.
I wouldn't put it in my mouth, that much is clear. I mean really small
amounts probably wouldn't hurt, but would I blindly rely on my
calculations?
Personally, I prefer leaving the nitrogen in a safe container and
dipping various things it. Like Koosh balls.
WTF is Koosh?
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
As for dry hands, I have that issue too. Even commercial soap dries them
out something fierce, which is why I make my own soap.
Nah, I use standard soap. My hands aren't *that* dry, just a lot drier
than other people's seem to be. I probably *should* cream them now and
then, but I can't stand smearing cream on things.
My own soap prevents me having to use cream. I don't really like using
electronics after I've put moisturizer on my hands, so I tend not to
want to restrict myself like that.
I know what you mean. I wouldn't know where to start with making my own
soap, though. Well, the liquid soap I use says it's fine for dry skin at
least.
::shrugs::
At least we don't use that horrible *real* soap anymore. You know the
non ph-neutral kind?
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
I thought we always had that one corner in the basement that was
consistently 0K for some perplexing reason... Or the thermometer in
there is inaccurate.
A thermometer that goes down to zero Kelvin?! I'm not quite sure if that
works (probably does), but that kind of thing usually comes as a metal
wire, lengthy calibration tables and expensive measuring equipment.
Well, the basement *is* full of wonders and mysteries...
Seems like *the* place for some dungeon delving ;-)
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Technically I might have meant Fahrenheit, since that's what my heathen
American society taught me.
Oh, yeah. That. One of the most stupid measuring systems still in use,
furlongs and leagues included. Anyway, let's see... That would be −17,8
°C. So what were we talking about again?
I wish the American systems of measurement would just switch over
already, but I understand that would be a big production. I personally
work in both popular kinds, so it wouldn't bother me so much.
'popular kinds'? I don't think I got that part. In any case, using SI
units for everything rules. Makes things a lot easier.
What I mean is U.S Customary (or Imperial) Units and SI. There are a few
measurements that are not actually a part of those two systems that I'm
unfamiliar with, like nautical miles.
Ah, yes. I have them in my unit converter (got fed up while reading Lord
of the Rings, which I never finished, BTW, and wrote that thing). It
also has the different kinds of pints, gallons and of course the two
different forms of libras which I never seem to be able to remember
which one is which. Anyway, an international nautical mile is 1852.01
metres. And I have no clue where that single centimetre comes from. I
can also tell you that is is 0.383595 leagues, 9.206285 furlongs,
1012.691382 fathoms or 72913.779528 inches. (The program does only
supply six decimal places; can't see a point to have more.)
Erm, what I wanted to say with that flood of words: I really like SI.
I can't help it, ones I start helping it tends to take on epic
proportions. Flaw of character, I guess.
Post by Red Dragon
SI is so much simpler. Imperial is just so full of arbitrary numbers.
Volume measurements are especially hard for me to remember all of them.
You mean there is more than one?! Bel is fine for me...
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Red Dragon
2009-01-19 16:56:10 UTC
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Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Does it say 'smart arse' ;-?
Actually, they're my misinformation pants... I could've sworn the
Ah, damn. I though you might accidentally found them; seems I've mislaid
them...
Why would I have any pants of yours? :)
Stranger things have happened in AGC. Besides, there are plenty of
reasons of borrowing someone else's pants.
The only reason I can think of is to strangle someone with their own pants.
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
presidential administration stole them a while ago. I really should just
burn them.
Probably, but won't they consider burning the presidential
administration an act of terrorism? They do almost anything else...
Yeah, they get pretty cranky even if you just try to burn a flag improperly.
Is there a proper way to burn a flag?
Well, it's how you dispose of a worn out and honored flag. But with out
the ceremony, it's a no-no.
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Although, I could've sworn that happens somewhere. Perhaps it more had
to do with a nitrogen-in-the-mouth trick. A brief trick, to be sure.
Sounds rather painful...
I really don't know how it works, and in retrospect, I shouldn't believe
a person's reasoning if that person can't even remember how the trick
works and swallows the stuff instead.
I wouldn't put it in my mouth, that much is clear. I mean really small
amounts probably wouldn't hurt, but would I blindly rely on my
calculations?
Personally, I prefer leaving the nitrogen in a safe container and
dipping various things it. Like Koosh balls.
WTF is Koosh?
The internets will certainly tell you. They're a small ball with a kind
of rubber band-like 'fur.' Usually very colorful. And as I said, very
fun to dip in liquid nitrogen and brushing all the elastic strings off.
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
As for dry hands, I have that issue too. Even commercial soap dries them
out something fierce, which is why I make my own soap.
Nah, I use standard soap. My hands aren't *that* dry, just a lot drier
than other people's seem to be. I probably *should* cream them now and
then, but I can't stand smearing cream on things.
My own soap prevents me having to use cream. I don't really like using
electronics after I've put moisturizer on my hands, so I tend not to
want to restrict myself like that.
I know what you mean. I wouldn't know where to start with making my own
soap, though. Well, the liquid soap I use says it's fine for dry skin at
least.
At least we don't use that horrible *real* soap anymore. You know the
non ph-neutral kind?
Not sure if I do know what you mean...

One might call my soap 'real,' since it's made the old-fashioned way
with lye and fats. But it's a lot gentler than store-bought soap.
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
I thought we always had that one corner in the basement that was
consistently 0K for some perplexing reason... Or the thermometer in
there is inaccurate.
A thermometer that goes down to zero Kelvin?! I'm not quite sure if that
works (probably does), but that kind of thing usually comes as a metal
wire, lengthy calibration tables and expensive measuring equipment.
Well, the basement *is* full of wonders and mysteries...
Seems like *the* place for some dungeon delving ;-)
Dibs on shiny things.
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Technically I might have meant Fahrenheit, since that's what my heathen
American society taught me.
Oh, yeah. That. One of the most stupid measuring systems still in use,
furlongs and leagues included. Anyway, let's see... That would be −17,8
°C. So what were we talking about again?
I wish the American systems of measurement would just switch over
already, but I understand that would be a big production. I personally
work in both popular kinds, so it wouldn't bother me so much.
'popular kinds'? I don't think I got that part. In any case, using SI
units for everything rules. Makes things a lot easier.
What I mean is U.S Customary (or Imperial) Units and SI. There are a few
measurements that are not actually a part of those two systems that I'm
unfamiliar with, like nautical miles.
Ah, yes. I have them in my unit converter (got fed up while reading Lord
of the Rings, which I never finished, BTW, and wrote that thing). It
also has the different kinds of pints, gallons and of course the two
different forms of libras which I never seem to be able to remember
which one is which. Anyway, an international nautical mile is 1852.01
metres. And I have no clue where that single centimetre comes from. I
can also tell you that is is 0.383595 leagues, 9.206285 furlongs,
1012.691382 fathoms or 72913.779528 inches. (The program does only
supply six decimal places; can't see a point to have more.)
Erm, what I wanted to say with that flood of words: I really like SI.
I can't help it, ones I start helping it tends to take on epic
proportions. Flaw of character, I guess.
That's funny, I'm in the middle of reading Lord of the Rings.
Conversions are easy enough to obtain in the age of the internet, but
some distances are still difficult to wrap one's mind around. Like a
league.
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Post by Red Dragon
SI is so much simpler. Imperial is just so full of arbitrary numbers.
Volume measurements are especially hard for me to remember all of them.
You mean there is more than one?! Bel is fine for me...
Oh, I just mean all the different units in one system and how they
convert into each other, like 4 quarts to a gallon. I think.
emmel
2009-01-19 17:58:28 UTC
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Post by Red Dragon
Why would I have any pants of yours? :)
Stranger things have happened in AGC. Besides, there are plenty of
reasons of borrowing someone else's pants.
The only reason I can think of is to strangle someone with their own pants.
What about dropping in some lake and having to lend some dry ones? There
are plenty of reasons to be a pair of pants short... And I think a belt
is preferable for strangling anyway.
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
Post by emmel
Post by Red Dragon
presidential administration stole them a while ago. I really should just
burn them.
Probably, but won't they consider burning the presidential
administration an act of terrorism? They do almost anything else...
Yeah, they get pretty cranky even if you just try to burn a flag improperly.
Is there a proper way to burn a flag?
Well, it's how you dispose of a worn out and honored flag. But with out
the ceremony, it's a no-no.
I wasn't aware you burned them, but it makes sense. Do Molotov cocktails
make for a good ceremony :-?
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Personally, I prefer leaving the nitrogen in a safe container and
dipping various things it. Like Koosh balls.
WTF is Koosh?
The internets will certainly tell you. They're a small ball with a kind
of rubber band-like 'fur.' Usually very colorful. And as I said, very
fun to dip in liquid nitrogen and brushing all the elastic strings off.
Erm, whatever. Have to look it up one of those days...
Roses are nice for that, too. The way they shatter is kinda cool.
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As for dry hands, I have that issue too. Even commercial soap dries them
out something fierce, which is why I make my own soap.
Nah, I use standard soap. My hands aren't *that* dry, just a lot drier
than other people's seem to be. I probably *should* cream them now and
then, but I can't stand smearing cream on things.
My own soap prevents me having to use cream. I don't really like using
electronics after I've put moisturizer on my hands, so I tend not to
want to restrict myself like that.
I know what you mean. I wouldn't know where to start with making my own
soap, though. Well, the liquid soap I use says it's fine for dry skin at
least.
At least we don't use that horrible *real* soap anymore. You know the
non ph-neutral kind?
Not sure if I do know what you mean...
'Proper' soap is made by mixing potash with some fat and cooking the
stuff. The result is slightly caustic and while it works fine, not ideal
for the skin. Modern soaps are somewhat more high-tech and what is
called ph-neutral, or in other words have the ph-value of water (7).
That value is a measurement for free H+ Ions (actually H3O+). It's some
logarithmic scale, the details of which I can't quite remember at the
moment. I *think* it's -0.5*lg(c*mol) with c being the concentration in
particles per mol, but I'm not quite sure. What matters is that acids
have values less that 7, in some extreme cases even less than 0, and
caustic substances values greater than 7. Water is exactly 7 with a
concentration of 10^-14 H3O+ per mol water. IIRC.
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One might call my soap 'real,' since it's made the old-fashioned way
with lye and fats. But it's a lot gentler than store-bought soap.
Ever applied some ph-test to it? You probably wouldn't know my favourite
brand (which I seriously hope is still being produced), but
Phenolphtalein or something like that should be easy enough to get.
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I thought we always had that one corner in the basement that was
consistently 0K for some perplexing reason... Or the thermometer in
there is inaccurate.
A thermometer that goes down to zero Kelvin?! I'm not quite sure if that
works (probably does), but that kind of thing usually comes as a metal
wire, lengthy calibration tables and expensive measuring equipment.
Well, the basement *is* full of wonders and mysteries...
Seems like *the* place for some dungeon delving ;-)
Dibs on shiny things.
No plundering the homes of indigenous sentient creatures, though. I feel
very strongly about that.
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Ah, yes. I have them in my unit converter (got fed up while reading Lord
of the Rings, which I never finished, BTW, and wrote that thing). It
also has the different kinds of pints, gallons and of course the two
different forms of libras which I never seem to be able to remember
which one is which. Anyway, an international nautical mile is 1852.01
metres. And I have no clue where that single centimetre comes from. I
can also tell you that is is 0.383595 leagues, 9.206285 furlongs,
1012.691382 fathoms or 72913.779528 inches. (The program does only
supply six decimal places; can't see a point to have more.)
Erm, what I wanted to say with that flood of words: I really like SI.
I can't help it, ones I start helping it tends to take on epic
proportions. Flaw of character, I guess.
That's funny, I'm in the middle of reading Lord of the Rings.
Conversions are easy enough to obtain in the age of the internet, but
some distances are still difficult to wrap one's mind around. Like a
league.
And now assume you aren't comfortable with imperial units in the first
place...
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Volume measurements are especially hard for me to remember all of them.
You mean there is more than one?! Bel is fine for me...
Oh, I just mean all the different units in one system and how they
convert into each other, like 4 quarts to a gallon. I think.
Oh, sorry, I confused volume with, you know volume (sonic pressure).
Well, let me tell you, SI much much better for that as well. You only
have to remember that litres are cubic decimetres, hectolitres therefore
1/10 of a cubic metre, centilitres 10 cubic centimetres and millilitres
cubic centimetres respectively. See? That easy. :-)
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Why would I have any pants of yours? :)
Stranger things have happened in AGC. Besides, there are plenty of
reasons of borrowing someone else's pants.
The only reason I can think of is to strangle someone with their own pants.
What about dropping in some lake and having to lend some dry ones? There
are plenty of reasons to be a pair of pants short... And I think a belt
is preferable for strangling anyway.
This is true. I spend an old years evening at the place of the mother of
the boyfriend of my sister and the cat of that boyfriend sat on me while
we watched television (cats always sit on my lap, that is probably
because I don't stare at them like most other people do).

Now suddenly I feel my lap get warm, and you guessed it, I needed some
new pants.

The problem was that I hate buying pants almost more than anything and I
spend that year in a community for mental patients. Since I spend the
weekends with my parents I only had one pair of jeans, which I was
wearing, and we would go to a new years party in a pub with cool
underground music later that night.

What they didn't tell me was that the cat was scared of fireworks and
they didn't have a cat litter because the cat always did what it had to
do outside. Except that night because of the fireworks.

So I had to lent some jeans of the boyfriend of my sister except that he
is a lot taller than I am.

That said, I need new jeans. The ones I have now start to have holes
in them again where I don't want them to have holes. Shame really
because they fit just fine!!

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2009-01-20 19:54:24 UTC
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Why would I have any pants of yours? :)
Stranger things have happened in AGC. Besides, there are plenty of
reasons of borrowing someone else's pants.
The only reason I can think of is to strangle someone with their own pants.
What about dropping in some lake and having to lend some dry ones? There
are plenty of reasons to be a pair of pants short... And I think a belt
is preferable for strangling anyway.
Pffft! If you want to get completely practical. Whatever happened to
good showmanship?
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presidential administration stole them a while ago. I really should just
burn them.
Probably, but won't they consider burning the presidential
administration an act of terrorism? They do almost anything else...
Yeah, they get pretty cranky even if you just try to burn a flag improperly.
Is there a proper way to burn a flag?
Well, it's how you dispose of a worn out and honored flag. But with out
the ceremony, it's a no-no.
I wasn't aware you burned them, but it makes sense. Do Molotov cocktails
make for a good ceremony :-?
Only if you can walk in 90 degree angles, salute rigidly, and move in a
somewhat robotic fashion when throwing.
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Personally, I prefer leaving the nitrogen in a safe container and
dipping various things it. Like Koosh balls.
WTF is Koosh?
The internets will certainly tell you. They're a small ball with a kind
of rubber band-like 'fur.' Usually very colorful. And as I said, very
fun to dip in liquid nitrogen and brushing all the elastic strings off.
Erm, whatever. Have to look it up one of those days...
Roses are nice for that, too. The way they shatter is kinda cool.
I agree. But you have to leave them in long enough, and shatter quickly.
Just a dip and and and they thaw out too fast.
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As for dry hands, I have that issue too. Even commercial soap dries them
out something fierce, which is why I make my own soap.
Nah, I use standard soap. My hands aren't *that* dry, just a lot drier
than other people's seem to be. I probably *should* cream them now and
then, but I can't stand smearing cream on things.
My own soap prevents me having to use cream. I don't really like using
electronics after I've put moisturizer on my hands, so I tend not to
want to restrict myself like that.
I know what you mean. I wouldn't know where to start with making my own
soap, though. Well, the liquid soap I use says it's fine for dry skin at
least.
At least we don't use that horrible *real* soap anymore. You know the
non ph-neutral kind?
Not sure if I do know what you mean...
'Proper' soap is made by mixing potash with some fat and cooking the
stuff. The result is slightly caustic and while it works fine, not ideal
for the skin. Modern soaps are somewhat more high-tech and what is
called ph-neutral, or in other words have the ph-value of water (7).
That value is a measurement for free H+ Ions (actually H3O+). It's some
logarithmic scale, the details of which I can't quite remember at the
moment. I *think* it's -0.5*lg(c*mol) with c being the concentration in
particles per mol, but I'm not quite sure. What matters is that acids
have values less that 7, in some extreme cases even less than 0, and
caustic substances values greater than 7. Water is exactly 7 with a
concentration of 10^-14 H3O+ per mol water. IIRC.
Oh, I'm quite familiar with pH, seeing as I keep a serious fish tank.
And I had a biology class rather recently.
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One might call my soap 'real,' since it's made the old-fashioned way
with lye and fats. But it's a lot gentler than store-bought soap.
Ever applied some ph-test to it? You probably wouldn't know my favourite
brand (which I seriously hope is still being produced), but
Phenolphtalein or something like that should be easy enough to get.
I'll have to try a pH test. I'm not sure if using sodium hydroxide as
opposed to potassium hydroxide would make a difference, but my soap
doesn't seem to come out caustic. Unless I didn't add enough fats, or
the temperature was too different.
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I thought we always had that one corner in the basement that was
consistently 0K for some perplexing reason... Or the thermometer in
there is inaccurate.
A thermometer that goes down to zero Kelvin?! I'm not quite sure if that
works (probably does), but that kind of thing usually comes as a metal
wire, lengthy calibration tables and expensive measuring equipment.
Well, the basement *is* full of wonders and mysteries...
Seems like *the* place for some dungeon delving ;-)
Dibs on shiny things.
No plundering the homes of indigenous sentient creatures, though. I feel
very strongly about that.
I don't really like having things creatures might want to steal back.
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Ah, yes. I have them in my unit converter (got fed up while reading Lord
of the Rings, which I never finished, BTW, and wrote that thing). It
also has the different kinds of pints, gallons and of course the two
different forms of libras which I never seem to be able to remember
which one is which. Anyway, an international nautical mile is 1852.01
metres. And I have no clue where that single centimetre comes from. I
can also tell you that is is 0.383595 leagues, 9.206285 furlongs,
1012.691382 fathoms or 72913.779528 inches. (The program does only
supply six decimal places; can't see a point to have more.)
Erm, what I wanted to say with that flood of words: I really like SI.
I can't help it, ones I start helping it tends to take on epic
proportions. Flaw of character, I guess.
That's funny, I'm in the middle of reading Lord of the Rings.
Conversions are easy enough to obtain in the age of the internet, but
some distances are still difficult to wrap one's mind around. Like a
league.
And now assume you aren't comfortable with imperial units in the first
place...
Yay!
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Volume measurements are especially hard for me to remember all of them.
You mean there is more than one?! Bel is fine for me...
Oh, I just mean all the different units in one system and how they
convert into each other, like 4 quarts to a gallon. I think.
Oh, sorry, I confused volume with, you know volume (sonic pressure).
Well, let me tell you, SI much much better for that as well. You only
have to remember that litres are cubic decimetres, hectolitres therefore
1/10 of a cubic metre, centilitres 10 cubic centimetres and millilitres
cubic centimetres respectively. See? That easy. :-)
*sniff* I know...
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2009-01-15 17:58:09 UTC
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But they're the ones with the candy!
Here you go.
Yay! I like like the ones that melt down the back of my throat due to
the intense heat! Wait, they all do that...
Hm... what about this special ice candy?
Careful, though. They are not that much ice as they are special.
I dunno... I suspect inexplicable explosions...
Nah, there's not enough liquid nitrogen in it for that.
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You'll be fine as long as you stay on the yellow brick road!
And no small chat with wolves that have a collar around their necks!
What do you have against Mynor?
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2009-01-12 12:03:16 UTC
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You'll be fine as long as you stay on the yellow brick road!
And no small chat with wolves that have a collar around their necks!
What do you have against Mynor?
What do werewolves have against Mynor? Normal wolves might use social
engineering to get to know the location of your granny and then eat her!

Neo
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2009-01-12 23:26:34 UTC
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You'll be fine as long as you stay on the yellow brick road!
And no small chat with wolves that have a collar around their necks!
What do you have against Mynor?
What do werewolves have against Mynor? Normal wolves might use social
engineering to get to know the location of your granny and then eat her!
You are trying to distract from the question. Anyway, the question isn't
what werewolves have against Mynor, but what wolves have against
werewolves. As the ultimate authority on that matter, the noble knight
Sir Pterry (Yes, Terry Pratchett is a real knight. Sooo damn cool.) put
it: Wolves always get hit by the brunt of the hatred people have for
werewolves, because, you know, werewolves will by then already been in a
very safe distance; it's always the wolves that suffer for their
behaviour. Point is, wolves hate werewolves will all their heart and
kill-on-sight is the norm rather than the exception. And any werewolves
not having anything against a big and powerful wolf like Mynor, beside
the fact that he fraternises with their lunch, are either rather nice
folks who just happen to be stricken with a particular unpleasant
condition or, as in most cases either stupid or dead or very both. Oh,
look, I'm ranting again.
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2009-01-14 13:12:41 UTC
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You'll be fine as long as you stay on the yellow brick road!
And no small chat with wolves that have a collar around their necks!
What do you have against Mynor?
What do werewolves have against Mynor? Normal wolves might use social
engineering to get to know the location of your granny and then eat her!
You are trying to distract from the question. Anyway, the question isn't
what werewolves have against Mynor, but what wolves have against
werewolves. As the ultimate authority on that matter, the noble knight
Sir Pterry (Yes, Terry Pratchett is a real knight. Sooo damn cool.) put
it: Wolves always get hit by the brunt of the hatred people have for
werewolves, because, you know, werewolves will by then already been in a
very safe distance; it's always the wolves that suffer for their
behaviour. Point is, wolves hate werewolves will all their heart and
kill-on-sight is the norm rather than the exception. And any werewolves
not having anything against a big and powerful wolf like Mynor, beside
the fact that he fraternises with their lunch, are either rather nice
folks who just happen to be stricken with a particular unpleasant
condition or, as in most cases either stupid or dead or very both. Oh,
look, I'm ranting again.
Common perception is that humans turn into wherewolves with a full moon.
While actually they turn human during daytime and whenever the full moon
is not around.

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2009-01-15 18:03:57 UTC
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On different notes: I'm trying to dig up and old Raniran traditional
song. The idea has been rummaging in the back of my mind for some time
and it's probably better to get it out before it does any damage. Some
of the rhymes are giving me trouble and I have problems finding some
musical instrument for reference (having no perfect hearing my voice
doesn't help much when trying to transcribe stuff), but I ought to be
able to post the lyrics in a day or two. So if you are interested, stay
tuned. Pun intended.
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On different notes: I'm trying to dig up and old Raniran traditional
song. The idea has been rummaging in the back of my mind for some time
and it's probably better to get it out before it does any damage. Some
of the rhymes are giving me trouble and I have problems finding some
musical instrument for reference (having no perfect hearing my voice
doesn't help much when trying to transcribe stuff), but I ought to be
able to post the lyrics in a day or two. So if you are interested, stay
tuned. Pun intended.
At the off chance that anyone cares: Score done, lyrics about one third.
Looks like something I can't easily sing, though - we are talking here
about a tone range from e' to h". Trust in me to write something I can't
perform...
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2009-01-17 20:06:31 UTC
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On different notes: I'm trying to dig up and old Raniran traditional
song. The idea has been rummaging in the back of my mind for some time
and it's probably better to get it out before it does any damage. Some
of the rhymes are giving me trouble and I have problems finding some
musical instrument for reference (having no perfect hearing my voice
doesn't help much when trying to transcribe stuff), but I ought to be
able to post the lyrics in a day or two. So if you are interested, stay
tuned. Pun intended.
At the off chance that anyone cares: Score done, lyrics about one third.
Looks like something I can't easily sing, though - we are talking here
about a tone range from e' to h". Trust in me to write something I can't
perform...
Aww... How unfortunate. I wish I could help, but 1) singing isn't
something I like to do for other people, and 2) I'm unfamiliar with the
notation you use for tone range, so I can't even tell if I could do it
either.
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2009-01-17 21:19:38 UTC
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On different notes: I'm trying to dig up and old Raniran traditional
song. The idea has been rummaging in the back of my mind for some time
and it's probably better to get it out before it does any damage. Some
of the rhymes are giving me trouble and I have problems finding some
musical instrument for reference (having no perfect hearing my voice
doesn't help much when trying to transcribe stuff), but I ought to be
able to post the lyrics in a day or two. So if you are interested, stay
tuned. Pun intended.
At the off chance that anyone cares: Score done, lyrics about one third.
Looks like something I can't easily sing, though - we are talking here
about a tone range from e' to h". Trust in me to write something I can't
perform...
Aww... How unfortunate. I wish I could help, but
Never mind, there is no need for me to actually sing it, though I toyed
with the idea of doing a recording. Besides, I'm probably able to manage
with some warming up and without insisting on putting much volume behind
it.
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1) singing isn't something I like to do for other people,
No? Any particular reason? I never had problems with that. I never
really was in a choir either, though.
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and 2) I'm unfamiliar with the notation you use for tone range, so I
can't even tell if I could do it either.
Chances are you'd recognize them as notes. The dashes aren't widely used
unless you happen to have either some formal musical education or
musical education involving instruments that cover a couple of octaves.
Besides, I think that 'h' actually ought to be a 'b'. You are probably
more used to something along the lines of 'from e to the high b'. I
could elaborate, but you probably don't really care about naming
octaves, so... Full stop. ;-)
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2009-01-18 17:39:22 UTC
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On different notes: I'm trying to dig up and old Raniran traditional
song. The idea has been rummaging in the back of my mind for some time
and it's probably better to get it out before it does any damage. Some
of the rhymes are giving me trouble and I have problems finding some
musical instrument for reference (having no perfect hearing my voice
doesn't help much when trying to transcribe stuff), but I ought to be
able to post the lyrics in a day or two. So if you are interested, stay
tuned. Pun intended.
At the off chance that anyone cares: Score done, lyrics about one third.
Looks like something I can't easily sing, though - we are talking here
about a tone range from e' to h". Trust in me to write something I can't
perform...
Aww... How unfortunate. I wish I could help, but
Never mind, there is no need for me to actually sing it, though I toyed
with the idea of doing a recording. Besides, I'm probably able to manage
with some warming up and without insisting on putting much volume behind
it.
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1) singing isn't something I like to do for other people,
No? Any particular reason? I never had problems with that. I never
really was in a choir either, though.
Just a social embarrassment thing again. I don't feel like I can keep
correct pitch well enough, and singing self-consciously will tend to
make that a self-fulfilling prophesy.
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and 2) I'm unfamiliar with the notation you use for tone range, so I
can't even tell if I could do it either.
Chances are you'd recognize them as notes. The dashes aren't widely used
unless you happen to have either some formal musical education or
musical education involving instruments that cover a couple of octaves.
Besides, I think that 'h' actually ought to be a 'b'. You are probably
more used to something along the lines of 'from e to the high b'. I
could elaborate, but you probably don't really care about naming
octaves, so... Full stop. ;-)
It was mostly the 'h' I had troubles with. I'm really only familiar with
the octave as it applies to the piano's keyboard. So, 'c' through 'b,'
flats and sharps, and Scientific Designation, as in middle C is C4.

Are you using Helmholtz then?
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2009-01-18 18:41:08 UTC
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Never mind, there is no need for me to actually sing it, though I toyed
with the idea of doing a recording. Besides, I'm probably able to manage
with some warming up and without insisting on putting much volume behind
it.
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1) singing isn't something I like to do for other people,
No? Any particular reason? I never had problems with that. I never
really was in a choir either, though.
Just a social embarrassment thing again. I don't feel like I can keep
correct pitch well enough,
Well, that *has* happened to me... Didn't stop me, though ;-)
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and singing self-consciously will tend to
make that a self-fulfilling prophesy.
Ah, but it's great fun. Personally I love singing, just don't get a
chance to do it very often. Needs the right people around, of course.
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and 2) I'm unfamiliar with the notation you use for tone range, so I
can't even tell if I could do it either.
Chances are you'd recognize them as notes. The dashes aren't widely used
unless you happen to have either some formal musical education or
musical education involving instruments that cover a couple of octaves.
Besides, I think that 'h' actually ought to be a 'b'. You are probably
more used to something along the lines of 'from e to the high b'. I
could elaborate, but you probably don't really care about naming
octaves, so... Full stop. ;-)
It was mostly the 'h' I had troubles with.
Oh, yeah. That's quite the speciality. I think there is but one country
that calls it like that... h-flat (that is b-flat) is actually called
'b', BTW. Yeah, that's crazy. Kinda suits me.
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I'm really only familiar with
the octave as it applies to the piano's keyboard.
Well, there isn't really another one. Scientifically speaking it's the
range between one wave length and its double.
Post by Red Dragon
So, 'c' through 'b,'
flats and sharps, and Scientific Designation, as in middle C is C4.
Oh, that's how you call it? I learned it as minor, major, contra and
sub-contra towared the left and one dashed, two dashed, three dashed etc
towards the right.
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Are you using Helmholtz then?
What has *he* to do with that?
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Here you go: The lyrics, fresh out of the press. I'll upload the PDF
with the complete score tomorrow. If anyone should be interested, I
could mail them a midi with the melody, just saying...

There is an old rock by the shore of the sea
where I would go to which was only for me.
A place for me to remember what's lost,
what we had left back on faraway coast.

Refrain, repeated:
While I'd be sitting by the shore,
watching the waves,
hearing the roar.

One day I met there clad in garments of white
a woman with hair as if of brilliant light.
Sitting where I would with an unworldly grace
taking away from me my favourite place.
Where I'd be …

I walked up to her and she lifted her head.
Her eyes were swollen and impossibly sad.
I asked the goddess: What have you to mourn?
Do tell me where from your sadness was born.
Why you are …

So many called me with the last of their breath,
cursed me or blessed me in the moment of death.
All I can do still is bearing the shame,
crying and mourning the lives lost in vain.
Those can't be …

I have not seen her since that day anymore,
nor had another one seen her on this our shore.
For good she had left this realm, for at last
she had understood: Her time had long passed.
Time to be …

There is an old rock by the shore of the sea
where I would go to which was only for me.
A place for me to remember what's lost,
what we had left back on faraway coast.
While I'd be …
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Thus emmel spoke:

Oh, yeah, almost forgot the most important thing. This is a unique piece
among Raniran music, for a number of reasons. For one thing, it's the
oldest known song, dating back to the time before the kingdoms. It's
frankly a wonder it has survived until Laiva's time, especially as most
folk songs are satisfied with a somewhat lesser dynamic range. For
another thing it's generally assumed that this is not so much fiction,
but a factual report forged into song. Really remarkable is that it
references both the legend of the exodus (coming from across the sea)
and hints at the complete destruction/devastation of the old home.
Really really really remarkable, however, is the explicit use of the
word goddess (although the oldest versions aren't that specific on
gender), as it usually only used in reference to some dark mage or
necromancer calling upon the dark forces if old. Outside of this there
is absolutely no worshipping of any god or goddess and anyone doing so
would be very well advised to keep it to themself (is that even a real
word), making that song very unique indeed. If anyone has actually read
this, shout. I should probably spent more time writing the story and
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Oh, yeah, almost forgot the most important thing. This is a unique piece
among Raniran music, for a number of reasons. For one thing, it's the
oldest known song, dating back to the time before the kingdoms. It's
frankly a wonder it has survived until Laiva's time, especially as most
folk songs are satisfied with a somewhat lesser dynamic range. For
another thing it's generally assumed that this is not so much fiction,
but a factual report forged into song. Really remarkable is that it
references both the legend of the exodus (coming from across the sea)
and hints at the complete destruction/devastation of the old home.
Really really really remarkable, however, is the explicit use of the
word goddess (although the oldest versions aren't that specific on
gender), as it usually only used in reference to some dark mage or
necromancer calling upon the dark forces if old. Outside of this there
is absolutely no worshipping of any god or goddess and anyone doing so
would be very well advised to keep it to themself (is that even a real
word), making that song very unique indeed. If anyone has actually read
this, shout. I should probably spent more time writing the story and
less background stuff.
Aw, I like background stuff. However, you'll run out of things to
background if you don't get cracking on the foreground. :)
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2009-01-19 18:17:44 UTC
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this, shout. I should probably spent more time writing the story and
less background stuff.
Aw, I like background stuff. However, you'll run out of things to
background if you don't get cracking on the foreground. :)
Yeah, you are so right about that... It all depends on mood though, and
I'm terribly moody at times.
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Here you go: The lyrics, fresh out of the press. I'll upload the PDF
with the complete score tomorrow. If anyone should be interested, I
could mail them a midi with the melody, just saying...
http://ranira.wordpress.com/files/2009/01/sitting-by-the-shore.pdf
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Here you go: The lyrics, fresh out of the press. I'll upload the PDF
with the complete score tomorrow. If anyone should be interested, I
could mail them a midi with the melody, just saying...
There is an old rock by the shore of the sea
where I would go to which was only for me.
A place for me to remember what's lost,
what we had left back on faraway coast.
While I'd be sitting by the shore,
watching the waves,
hearing the roar.
One day I met there clad in garments of white
a woman with hair as if of brilliant light.
Sitting where I would with an unworldly grace
taking away from me my favourite place.
Where I'd be …
I walked up to her and she lifted her head.
Her eyes were swollen and impossibly sad.
I asked the goddess: What have you to mourn?
Do tell me where from your sadness was born.
Why you are …
So many called me with the last of their breath,
cursed me or blessed me in the moment of death.
All I can do still is bearing the shame,
crying and mourning the lives lost in vain.
Those can't be …
I have not seen her since that day anymore,
nor had another one seen her on this our shore.
For good she had left this realm, for at last
she had understood: Her time had long passed.
Time to be …
There is an old rock by the shore of the sea
where I would go to which was only for me.
A place for me to remember what's lost,
what we had left back on faraway coast.
While I'd be …
Very pretty. Is this only sung, or is there an associated instrument?
I'll have to hear the melody, so I'll probably take the sheet music to
my piano.
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2009-01-19 18:15:55 UTC
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Post by emmel
Here you go: The lyrics, fresh out of the press. I'll upload the PDF
with the complete score tomorrow. If anyone should be interested, I
could mail them a midi with the melody, just saying...
<snip>
Post by Red Dragon
Very pretty.
You really think so?
Post by Red Dragon
Is this only sung, or is there an associated instrument?
Nope, vocal only, one voice. Although it *could* do with a second voice.
Maybe another time.
Post by Red Dragon
I'll have to hear the melody, so I'll probably take the sheet music to
my piano.
::nods::
Go easy on the fermatas, stretching them out to twice the noted length
yields the best results, IMHO.
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Never mind, there is no need for me to actually sing it, though I toyed
with the idea of doing a recording. Besides, I'm probably able to manage
with some warming up and without insisting on putting much volume behind
it.
Post by Red Dragon
1) singing isn't something I like to do for other people,
No? Any particular reason? I never had problems with that. I never
really was in a choir either, though.
Just a social embarrassment thing again. I don't feel like I can keep
correct pitch well enough,
Well, that *has* happened to me... Didn't stop me, though ;-)
Post by Red Dragon
and singing self-consciously will tend to
make that a self-fulfilling prophesy.
Ah, but it's great fun. Personally I love singing, just don't get a
chance to do it very often. Needs the right people around, of course.
Oh, I like singing an awful lot. Just in my car or something.
My own sound-proof pod.
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and 2) I'm unfamiliar with the notation you use for tone range, so I
can't even tell if I could do it either.
Chances are you'd recognize them as notes. The dashes aren't widely used
unless you happen to have either some formal musical education or
musical education involving instruments that cover a couple of octaves.
Besides, I think that 'h' actually ought to be a 'b'. You are probably
more used to something along the lines of 'from e to the high b'. I
could elaborate, but you probably don't really care about naming
octaves, so... Full stop. ;-)
It was mostly the 'h' I had troubles with.
Oh, yeah. That's quite the speciality. I think there is but one country
that calls it like that... h-flat (that is b-flat) is actually called
'b', BTW. Yeah, that's crazy. Kinda suits me.
Well, alrighty then. That explains things.
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Post by Red Dragon
I'm really only familiar with
the octave as it applies to the piano's keyboard.
Well, there isn't really another one. Scientifically speaking it's the
range between one wave length and its double.
Post by Red Dragon
So, 'c' through 'b,'
flats and sharps, and Scientific Designation, as in middle C is C4.
Oh, that's how you call it? I learned it as minor, major, contra and
sub-contra towared the left and one dashed, two dashed, three dashed etc
towards the right.
Post by Red Dragon
Are you using Helmholtz then?
What has *he* to do with that?
Helmholtz Designation, as opposed to Scientific Designation. I believe
Helmholtz is the one to use a sort of apostrophe for the keys to the
right...
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2009-01-19 18:10:50 UTC
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Ah, but it's great fun. Personally I love singing, just don't get a
chance to do it very often. Needs the right people around, of course.
Oh, I like singing an awful lot. Just in my car or something.
My own sound-proof pod.
Yeah, I heard some people exclusively sing under the shower. I don't
really see the point doing it without anyone hearing me.
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flats and sharps, and Scientific Designation, as in middle C is C4.
Oh, that's how you call it? I learned it as minor, major, contra and
sub-contra towared the left and one dashed, two dashed, three dashed etc
towards the right.
Post by Red Dragon
Are you using Helmholtz then?
What has *he* to do with that?
Helmholtz Designation, as opposed to Scientific Designation. I believe
Helmholtz is the one to use a sort of apostrophe for the keys to the
right...
Well, physicists tend to do a lot of stuff you wouldn't have expected
from them, but I've never heard of it.
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2009-01-20 20:06:08 UTC
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Ah, but it's great fun. Personally I love singing, just don't get a
chance to do it very often. Needs the right people around, of course.
Oh, I like singing an awful lot. Just in my car or something.
My own sound-proof pod.
Yeah, I heard some people exclusively sing under the shower. I don't
really see the point doing it without anyone hearing me.
The shower echoes and amplifies, so I just hum quietly in there. Singing
really is for my own pleasure though. Can't even sing in front of people
closest to me.
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flats and sharps, and Scientific Designation, as in middle C is C4.
Oh, that's how you call it? I learned it as minor, major, contra and
sub-contra towared the left and one dashed, two dashed, three dashed etc
towards the right.
Post by Red Dragon
Are you using Helmholtz then?
What has *he* to do with that?
Helmholtz Designation, as opposed to Scientific Designation. I believe
Helmholtz is the one to use a sort of apostrophe for the keys to the
right...
Well, physicists tend to do a lot of stuff you wouldn't have expected
from them, but I've never heard of it.
True enough. It *is* the same guy, but I'm unsure why he had an interest
in developing a pitch notation system.

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2009-01-12 09:36:16 UTC
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But I was trying to make a point about who was on top in the food chain.
A spider or me. I don't think there are any poisonous spiders in Holland
so the risk I took was little. It also was a very small spider ;-)
Yeeeahh... The thing about the spiders around here is they tend to be
Black Widows, Yellow Sac Spiders, large Wolf Spiders, or Tarantulas.
That's what you get for living on the wrong continent ;-) Could be
worse, though, Australia is really no fun in this respect. With those
around I would develop any number of phobias.
Well, ya know... It's very easy to be lazy and keep living on the same
continent one was popped into existence on. Plus, high-level monsters
tend to be between starting locations and you have to level up a bit
before you go anywhere. That or be very good and dodging and running.
Sounds like *someone* has spent a bit too much time in front of some RPG
lately.
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But I was trying to make a point about who was on top in the food chain.
A spider or me. I don't think there are any poisonous spiders in Holland
so the risk I took was little. It also was a very small spider ;-)
Yeeeahh... The thing about the spiders around here is they tend to be
Black Widows, Yellow Sac Spiders, large Wolf Spiders, or Tarantulas.
That's what you get for living on the wrong continent ;-) Could be
worse, though, Australia is really no fun in this respect. With those
around I would develop any number of phobias.
Well, ya know... It's very easy to be lazy and keep living on the same
continent one was popped into existence on. Plus, high-level monsters
tend to be between starting locations and you have to level up a bit
before you go anywhere. That or be very good and dodging and running.
Sounds like *someone* has spent a bit too much time in front of some RPG
lately.
Actually, it's been a while since I've played any fantasy MMORPG's, or
any game with spread out starting towns... And I never did play WoW.

My thing recently has been Animal Crossing for some reason. Well, and
Wii Fit, as a matter of habit along with the weight lifting.
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2009-01-14 20:51:46 UTC
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Well, ya know... It's very easy to be lazy and keep living on the same
continent one was popped into existence on. Plus, high-level monsters
tend to be between starting locations and you have to level up a bit
before you go anywhere. That or be very good and dodging and running.
Sounds like *someone* has spent a bit too much time in front of some RPG
lately.
Actually, it's been a while since I've played any fantasy MMORPG's, or
any game with spread out starting towns... And I never did play WoW.
Oh, well. I guess that kind of thing sticks in the back of your mind.
Post by Red Dragon
My thing recently has been Animal Crossing for some reason. Well, and
Wii Fit, as a matter of habit along with the weight lifting.
Weight lifting? Oh my.
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Well, ya know... It's very easy to be lazy and keep living on the same
continent one was popped into existence on. Plus, high-level monsters
tend to be between starting locations and you have to level up a bit
before you go anywhere. That or be very good and dodging and running.
Sounds like *someone* has spent a bit too much time in front of some RPG
lately.
Actually, it's been a while since I've played any fantasy MMORPG's, or
any game with spread out starting towns... And I never did play WoW.
Oh, well. I guess that kind of thing sticks in the back of your mind.
Ready to leap forward randomly and inappropriately, pushing all the
other thoughts out of the way, causing much chaos and ire.
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Post by Red Dragon
My thing recently has been Animal Crossing for some reason. Well, and
Wii Fit, as a matter of habit along with the weight lifting.
Weight lifting? Oh my.
What?

Well, I guess most ladies don't do bench-pressing and the like as part
of their daily exercise routine. Wusses. It's not like women bulk up
that much without the help of certain supplements.
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2009-01-15 18:26:22 UTC
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Oh, well. I guess that kind of thing sticks in the back of your mind.
Ready to leap forward randomly and inappropriately, pushing all the
other thoughts out of the way, causing much chaos and ire.
Homely.
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Post by Red Dragon
My thing recently has been Animal Crossing for some reason. Well, and
Wii Fit, as a matter of habit along with the weight lifting.
Weight lifting? Oh my.
What?
Well, I guess most ladies don't do bench-pressing and the like as part
of their daily exercise routine. Wusses. It's not like women bulk up
that much without the help of certain supplements.
I don't know, weight lifting is so... no idea, but it's outside my
comfort zone.
I can't say it's the most effective mode of exercise, but using it as a
supplement has made various tasks easier. And less likely for random men
to force help upon me. Although, that still happens. I guess I should be
happy helpful people are still around, but it bothers me that they
probably wouldn't help if I were a similarly built male.
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2009-01-15 20:15:50 UTC
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My thing recently has been Animal Crossing for some reason. Well, and
Wii Fit, as a matter of habit along with the weight lifting.
Weight lifting? Oh my.
What?
Well, I guess most ladies don't do bench-pressing and the like as part
of their daily exercise routine. Wusses. It's not like women bulk up
that much without the help of certain supplements.
I don't know, weight lifting is so... no idea, but it's outside my
comfort zone.
I can't say it's the most effective mode of exercise, but using it as a
supplement has made various tasks easier. And less likely for random men
to force help upon me.
Note to self: Don't force help onto the large Red Dragon.
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Although, that still happens. I guess I should be
happy helpful people are still around, but it bothers me that they
probably wouldn't help if I were a similarly built male.
Yeah, I think I know what you mean.
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My thing recently has been Animal Crossing for some reason. Well, and
Wii Fit, as a matter of habit along with the weight lifting.
Weight lifting? Oh my.
What?
Well, I guess most ladies don't do bench-pressing and the like as part
of their daily exercise routine. Wusses. It's not like women bulk up
that much without the help of certain supplements.
I don't know, weight lifting is so... no idea, but it's outside my
comfort zone.
I can't say it's the most effective mode of exercise, but using it as a
supplement has made various tasks easier. And less likely for random men
to force help upon me.
Note to self: Don't force help onto the large Red Dragon.
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Although, that still happens. I guess I should be
happy helpful people are still around, but it bothers me that they
probably wouldn't help if I were a similarly built male.
Yeah, I think I know what you mean.
It is OK to help old people and to help females (all).
If you help a male your age you must be gay by implication. That is how
it works I am afraid. It is also humiliating for the guy being helped
and he might shoot you.
Oh, you can also help your family, friends and neighbours. That is not gay.
Neo
Yeah... It would seem there's a fear of implications...

I don't mind help, as long as I ask for it. And I'm not above asking for
help. I just don't like it when I'm minding my own business, loading 8ft
4x4 posts into my car, and some guy comes up, says "here, let me get
that," and takes the post I was holding to put it in my car.

Makes me feel a little violated when I'm not even given a choice...
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2009-01-16 12:30:29 UTC
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Although, that still happens. I guess I should be
happy helpful people are still around, but it bothers me that they
probably wouldn't help if I were a similarly built male.
Yeah, I think I know what you mean.
It is OK to help old people and to help females (all).
If you help a male your age you must be gay by implication. That is how
it works I am afraid. It is also humiliating for the guy being helped
and he might shoot you.
Oh, you can also help your family, friends and neighbours. That is not gay.
Neo
Yeah... It would seem there's a fear of implications...
I don't mind help, as long as I ask for it. And I'm not above asking for
help. I just don't like it when I'm minding my own business, loading 8ft
4x4 posts into my car, and some guy comes up, says "here, let me get
that," and takes the post I was holding to put it in my car.
Makes me feel a little violated when I'm not even given a choice...
::nods::
It's humiliating, because it implies that you aren't capable of doing it
on your own (or at least as good). It's although a big bright flashing
sign saying: "That guy is an ignorant idiot who feels superior to you
and will never treat you as equal. Tell him to shove off." Right?
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Although, that still happens. I guess I should be
happy helpful people are still around, but it bothers me that they
probably wouldn't help if I were a similarly built male.
Yeah, I think I know what you mean.
It is OK to help old people and to help females (all).
If you help a male your age you must be gay by implication. That is how
it works I am afraid. It is also humiliating for the guy being helped
and he might shoot you.
Oh, you can also help your family, friends and neighbours. That is not gay.
Neo
Yeah... It would seem there's a fear of implications...
I don't mind help, as long as I ask for it. And I'm not above asking for
help. I just don't like it when I'm minding my own business, loading 8ft
4x4 posts into my car, and some guy comes up, says "here, let me get
that," and takes the post I was holding to put it in my car.
Makes me feel a little violated when I'm not even given a choice...
It's humiliating, because it implies that you aren't capable of doing it
on your own (or at least as good). It's although a big bright flashing
sign saying: "That guy is an ignorant idiot who feels superior to you
and will never treat you as equal. Tell him to shove off." Right?
Indeed it is. I wish I could tell them to shove off, but for all my
confident appearance, I'm still quite socially anxious.
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2009-01-17 16:33:51 UTC
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It's humiliating, because it implies that you aren't capable of doing it
on your own (or at least as good). It's although a big bright flashing
sign saying: "That guy is an ignorant idiot who feels superior to you
and will never treat you as equal. Tell him to shove off." Right?
Indeed it is. I wish I could tell them to shove off, but for all my
confident appearance, I'm still quite socially anxious.
Welcome, sister in spirit. (Bonus points if you figure out what I meant.)
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It's humiliating, because it implies that you aren't capable of doing it
on your own (or at least as good). It's although a big bright flashing
sign saying: "That guy is an ignorant idiot who feels superior to you
and will never treat you as equal. Tell him to shove off." Right?
Indeed it is. I wish I could tell them to shove off, but for all my
confident appearance, I'm still quite socially anxious.
Welcome, sister in spirit. (Bonus points if you figure out what I meant.)
I might have a pretty good idea, but I loathe to assume.

It's a lot easier on the internet to interact with people, but I still
get very nervous if I don't know the people, and embarrass easily if I
say something wrong.
emmel
2009-01-17 21:11:17 UTC
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It's humiliating, because it implies that you aren't capable of doing it
on your own (or at least as good). It's although a big bright flashing
sign saying: "That guy is an ignorant idiot who feels superior to you
and will never treat you as equal. Tell him to shove off." Right?
Indeed it is. I wish I could tell them to shove off, but for all my
confident appearance, I'm still quite socially anxious.
Welcome, sister in spirit. (Bonus points if you figure out what I meant.)
I might have a pretty good idea, but I loathe to assume.
It's just that I had the serious feeling that that was next to
undecipherable.
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It's a lot easier on the internet to interact with people, but I still
get very nervous if I don't know the people, and embarrass easily if I
say something wrong.
::nods::
Although I probably passed that point of complete embarrassment so many
times, I shouldn't care anymore.
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It's humiliating, because it implies that you aren't capable of doing it
on your own (or at least as good). It's although a big bright flashing
sign saying: "That guy is an ignorant idiot who feels superior to you
and will never treat you as equal. Tell him to shove off." Right?
Indeed it is. I wish I could tell them to shove off, but for all my
confident appearance, I'm still quite socially anxious.
Welcome, sister in spirit. (Bonus points if you figure out what I meant.)
I might have a pretty good idea, but I loathe to assume.
It's just that I had the serious feeling that that was next to
undecipherable.
Not really. Unless you didn't intend it to imply a 'kindred spirits'
sort of thing.
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Post by Red Dragon
It's a lot easier on the internet to interact with people, but I still
get very nervous if I don't know the people, and embarrass easily if I
say something wrong.
Although I probably passed that point of complete embarrassment so many
times, I shouldn't care anymore.
I keep getting told that if I just practice interacting with people and
seeing that it's not going to kill me, I'll get more comfortable with it.
I'm not seeing it happening.
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2009-01-18 18:17:27 UTC
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Indeed it is. I wish I could tell them to shove off, but for all my
confident appearance, I'm still quite socially anxious.
Welcome, sister in spirit. (Bonus points if you figure out what I meant.)
I might have a pretty good idea, but I loathe to assume.
It's just that I had the serious feeling that that was next to
undecipherable.
Not really. Unless you didn't intend it to imply a 'kindred spirits'
sort of thing.
All right then.
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It's a lot easier on the internet to interact with people, but I still
get very nervous if I don't know the people, and embarrass easily if I
say something wrong.
Although I probably passed that point of complete embarrassment so many
times, I shouldn't care anymore.
I keep getting told that if I just practice interacting with people and
seeing that it's not going to kill me, I'll get more comfortable with it.
I'm not seeing it happening.
Getting comfortable with something that merely fails to kill you? I
don't think so.
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2009-01-19 17:00:01 UTC
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Indeed it is. I wish I could tell them to shove off, but for all my
confident appearance, I'm still quite socially anxious.
Welcome, sister in spirit. (Bonus points if you figure out what I meant.)
I might have a pretty good idea, but I loathe to assume.
It's just that I had the serious feeling that that was next to
undecipherable.
Not really. Unless you didn't intend it to imply a 'kindred spirits'
sort of thing.
All right then.
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It's a lot easier on the internet to interact with people, but I still
get very nervous if I don't know the people, and embarrass easily if I
say something wrong.
Although I probably passed that point of complete embarrassment so many
times, I shouldn't care anymore.
I keep getting told that if I just practice interacting with people and
seeing that it's not going to kill me, I'll get more comfortable with it.
I'm not seeing it happening.
Getting comfortable with something that merely fails to kill you? I
don't think so.
No? I've gotten comfortable with the inept assassins that follow me
around. Almost like old friends.
emmel
2009-01-19 18:07:20 UTC
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I keep getting told that if I just practice interacting with people and
seeing that it's not going to kill me, I'll get more comfortable with it.
I'm not seeing it happening.
Getting comfortable with something that merely fails to kill you? I
don't think so.
No? I've gotten comfortable with the inept assassins that follow me
around. Almost like old friends.
Those? Oh, come one, *they* obviously fail big time. Again and again and
again.
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2009-01-20 20:01:07 UTC
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I keep getting told that if I just practice interacting with people and
seeing that it's not going to kill me, I'll get more comfortable with it.
I'm not seeing it happening.
Getting comfortable with something that merely fails to kill you? I
don't think so.
No? I've gotten comfortable with the inept assassins that follow me
around. Almost like old friends.
Those? Oh, come one, *they* obviously fail big time. Again and again and
again.
But they *do* 'merely fail to kill me.'

Although, maybe it's an elaborate plot to establish a false sense of
security. ::gets paranoid again::
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2009-01-18 15:09:15 UTC
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My thing recently has been Animal Crossing for some reason. Well, and
Wii Fit, as a matter of habit along with the weight lifting.
Weight lifting? Oh my.
What?
Well, I guess most ladies don't do bench-pressing and the like as part
of their daily exercise routine. Wusses. It's not like women bulk up
that much without the help of certain supplements.
I don't know, weight lifting is so... no idea, but it's outside my
comfort zone.
I can't say it's the most effective mode of exercise, but using it as a
supplement has made various tasks easier. And less likely for random men
to force help upon me.
Note to self: Don't force help onto the large Red Dragon.
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Although, that still happens. I guess I should be
happy helpful people are still around, but it bothers me that they
probably wouldn't help if I were a similarly built male.
Yeah, I think I know what you mean.
It is OK to help old people and to help females (all).
If you help a male your age you must be gay by implication. That is how
it works I am afraid. It is also humiliating for the guy being helped
and he might shoot you.
Oh, you can also help your family, friends and neighbours. That is not gay.
Neo
Yeah... It would seem there's a fear of implications...
I don't mind help, as long as I ask for it. And I'm not above asking for
help. I just don't like it when I'm minding my own business, loading 8ft
4x4 posts into my car, and some guy comes up, says "here, let me get
that," and takes the post I was holding to put it in my car.
Makes me feel a little violated when I'm not even given a choice...
Reminds me of people in wheel chairs. They tend to get annoyed if you
help them (unless they are old and don't have strong arms anymore).

Worse you can do is 'help' someone who stutters. You should always let
them take their time and finish their sentence (which I can understand).

Neo
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2009-01-18 17:48:46 UTC
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I don't mind help, as long as I ask for it. And I'm not above asking for
help. I just don't like it when I'm minding my own business, loading 8ft
4x4 posts into my car, and some guy comes up, says "here, let me get
that," and takes the post I was holding to put it in my car.
Makes me feel a little violated when I'm not even given a choice...
Reminds me of people in wheel chairs. They tend to get annoyed if you
help them (unless they are old and don't have strong arms anymore).
Yeah, and with good reason. Children go through exactly the same when
growing up, BTW. Independence, even partly, is important.
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Worse you can do is 'help' someone who stutters. You should always let
them take their time and finish their sentence (which I can understand).
Unless it's a matter of life or death ;-) You are completely right, of course.
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2009-01-15 21:08:41 UTC
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My thing recently has been Animal Crossing for some reason. Well, and
Wii Fit, as a matter of habit along with the weight lifting.
Weight lifting? Oh my.
What?
Well, I guess most ladies don't do bench-pressing and the like as part
of their daily exercise routine. Wusses. It's not like women bulk up
that much without the help of certain supplements.
I don't know, weight lifting is so... no idea, but it's outside my
comfort zone.
I can't say it's the most effective mode of exercise, but using it as a
supplement has made various tasks easier. And less likely for random men
to force help upon me.
Note to self: Don't force help onto the large Red Dragon.
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Although, that still happens. I guess I should be
happy helpful people are still around, but it bothers me that they
probably wouldn't help if I were a similarly built male.
Yeah, I think I know what you mean.
It is OK to help old people and to help females (all).

If you help a male your age you must be gay by implication. That is how
it works I am afraid. It is also humiliating for the guy being helped
and he might shoot you.

Oh, you can also help your family, friends and neighbours. That is not gay.

Neo
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2009-01-15 21:14:05 UTC
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My thing recently has been Animal Crossing for some reason. Well, and
Wii Fit, as a matter of habit along with the weight lifting.
Weight lifting? Oh my.
What?
Well, I guess most ladies don't do bench-pressing and the like as part
of their daily exercise routine. Wusses. It's not like women bulk up
that much without the help of certain supplements.
I don't know, weight lifting is so... no idea, but it's outside my
comfort zone.
I can't say it's the most effective mode of exercise, but using it as a
supplement has made various tasks easier. And less likely for random men
to force help upon me.
Note to self: Don't force help onto the large Red Dragon.
Post by Red Dragon
Although, that still happens. I guess I should be
happy helpful people are still around, but it bothers me that they
probably wouldn't help if I were a similarly built male.
Yeah, I think I know what you mean.
It is OK to help old people and to help females (all).
It OK to help people who need help. What about that.
If you help a male your age you must be gay by implication. That is how
it works I am afraid. It is also humiliating for the guy being helped
and he might shoot you.
Shoot you?! Where the hell do you live?
Oh, you can also help your family, friends and neighbours. That is not gay.
No, merely underpaid. If I charged by the hour...
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2009-01-15 17:55:57 UTC
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Oh, well. I guess that kind of thing sticks in the back of your mind.
Ready to leap forward randomly and inappropriately, pushing all the
other thoughts out of the way, causing much chaos and ire.
Homely.
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My thing recently has been Animal Crossing for some reason. Well, and
Wii Fit, as a matter of habit along with the weight lifting.
Weight lifting? Oh my.
What?
Well, I guess most ladies don't do bench-pressing and the like as part
of their daily exercise routine. Wusses. It's not like women bulk up
that much without the help of certain supplements.
I don't know, weight lifting is so... no idea, but it's outside my
comfort zone.
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My thing recently has been Animal Crossing for some reason. Well, and
Wii Fit, as a matter of habit along with the weight lifting.
Weight lifting? Oh my.
I assumed weight lifting was part of Wii Fit.
@Red Dragon: Do you train for power or for speed? Since you want to lift
things probably the former. I tended to go for speed with light weights
so I could be faster in combat. Kinetic energy is speed times speed
times mass after all!
Neo
Meh, Wii Fit doesn't really have weight-lifting. Push-ups and the like,
but no dumbbell equivalent.

Oh, the weight-lifting is mostly for power. I do everything in that
realm slowly and deliberately for the most effect. Actual combat is
what's for speed. Pilates/Yoga is for grace and balance, and running is
for endurance.
emmel
2009-01-16 12:26:48 UTC
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My thing recently has been Animal Crossing for some reason. Well, and
Wii Fit, as a matter of habit along with the weight lifting.
Weight lifting? Oh my.
I assumed weight lifting was part of Wii Fit.
@Red Dragon: Do you train for power or for speed? Since you want to lift
things probably the former. I tended to go for speed with light weights
so I could be faster in combat. Kinetic energy is speed times speed
times mass after all!
Meh, Wii Fit doesn't really have weight-lifting. Push-ups and the like,
but no dumbbell equivalent.
Oh, the weight-lifting is mostly for power. I do everything in that
realm slowly and deliberately for the most effect. Actual combat is
what's for speed. Pilates/Yoga is for grace and balance, and running is
for endurance.
So much sports make my brain ache.
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2009-01-17 03:58:21 UTC
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My thing recently has been Animal Crossing for some reason. Well, and
Wii Fit, as a matter of habit along with the weight lifting.
Weight lifting? Oh my.
I assumed weight lifting was part of Wii Fit.
@Red Dragon: Do you train for power or for speed? Since you want to lift
things probably the former. I tended to go for speed with light weights
so I could be faster in combat. Kinetic energy is speed times speed
times mass after all!
Meh, Wii Fit doesn't really have weight-lifting. Push-ups and the like,
but no dumbbell equivalent.
Oh, the weight-lifting is mostly for power. I do everything in that
realm slowly and deliberately for the most effect. Actual combat is
what's for speed. Pilates/Yoga is for grace and balance, and running is
for endurance.
So much sports make my brain ache.
Oddly enough, all that doesn't take up my time as much as school and
gaming. I just got into a habit of exercise for stress reasons, and now
I feel off if I don't do anything.
emmel
2009-01-17 16:31:40 UTC
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So much sports make my brain ache.
Oddly enough, all that doesn't take up my time as much as school and
gaming. I just got into a habit of exercise for stress reasons, and now
I feel off if I don't do anything.
Well, I guess some of us are just more naturally resistant against that
kind of thing. Reminds me, I still have so chocolate in the fridge...
::comes back::
Yep, much more enjoyable. :-)
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So much sports make my brain ache.
Oddly enough, all that doesn't take up my time as much as school and
gaming. I just got into a habit of exercise for stress reasons, and now
I feel off if I don't do anything.
Well, I guess some of us are just more naturally resistant against that
kind of thing. Reminds me, I still have so chocolate in the fridge...
Yep, much more enjoyable. :-)
Oh, the enjoyment of chocolate (and other sweets) and exercise are
certainly not mutually exclusive. Now if you excuse me, the holidays
bring a hefty bounty of such delightful things, and they aren't going to
eat themselves.
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2009-01-17 21:08:52 UTC
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So much sports make my brain ache.
Oddly enough, all that doesn't take up my time as much as school and
gaming. I just got into a habit of exercise for stress reasons, and now
I feel off if I don't do anything.
Well, I guess some of us are just more naturally resistant against that
kind of thing. Reminds me, I still have so chocolate in the fridge...
Yep, much more enjoyable. :-)
Oh, the enjoyment of chocolate (and other sweets) and exercise are
Um, I think I mentioned it before: My chocolate is *not* sweet. At all.
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certainly not mutually exclusive. Now if you excuse me, the holidays
bring a hefty bounty of such delightful things, and they aren't going to
eat themselves.
<bg> Now you are talking.
There isn't really much of that stuff involved anymore, not after
grandma died. I so have no problems with getting over stuffed at high
holidays.
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2009-01-18 17:28:44 UTC
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So much sports make my brain ache.
Oddly enough, all that doesn't take up my time as much as school and
gaming. I just got into a habit of exercise for stress reasons, and now
I feel off if I don't do anything.
Well, I guess some of us are just more naturally resistant against that
kind of thing. Reminds me, I still have so chocolate in the fridge...
Yep, much more enjoyable. :-)
Oh, the enjoyment of chocolate (and other sweets) and exercise are
Um, I think I mentioned it before: My chocolate is *not* sweet. At all.
Perhaps you've mentioned it... How not sweet though? As I've gotten
older, I've gotten to like darker chocolates more and more. I once had
some 80%. That was kind of awesome. But I still think of it as a sweet.
Perhaps I should just say candy?
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certainly not mutually exclusive. Now if you excuse me, the holidays
bring a hefty bounty of such delightful things, and they aren't going to
eat themselves.
<bg> Now you are talking.
There isn't really much of that stuff involved anymore, not after
grandma died. I so have no problems with getting over stuffed at high
holidays.
Well, most of the stuff I have left over is store-bought chocolate. The
homemade things go first, especially the English toffee.
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2009-01-18 18:12:55 UTC
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Oh, the enjoyment of chocolate (and other sweets) and exercise are
Um, I think I mentioned it before: My chocolate is *not* sweet. At all.
Perhaps you've mentioned it... How not sweet though? As I've gotten
No sugar. 100% cocoa. Excuse me for a sec...
::goes to the fridge::
Ah, fantastic. I wonder why I'm the only one in the family to like it...
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older, I've gotten to like darker chocolates more and more. I once had
some 80%. That was kind of awesome. But I still think of it as a sweet.
Perhaps I should just say candy?
I'm fine with 'awesome'. :-)
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<bg> Now you are talking.
There isn't really much of that stuff involved anymore, not after
grandma died. I so have no problems with getting over stuffed at high
holidays.
Well, most of the stuff I have left over is store-bought chocolate. The
homemade things go first, especially the English toffee.
Um, there is home-made chocolate? How does that work? You can't really
buy the raw ingredients, can you, and then it's kind of complex. Or were
you talking candy in general? Home-made honey candy is pretty awesome
and addictive.
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2009-01-19 16:59:11 UTC
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Oh, the enjoyment of chocolate (and other sweets) and exercise are
Um, I think I mentioned it before: My chocolate is *not* sweet. At all.
Perhaps you've mentioned it... How not sweet though? As I've gotten
No sugar. 100% cocoa. Excuse me for a sec...
Ah, fantastic. I wonder why I'm the only one in the family to like it...
The only way you can get 100% cocoa here is in the form of baker's
chocolate. That does get to the point of a little too much for me.
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older, I've gotten to like darker chocolates more and more. I once had
some 80%. That was kind of awesome. But I still think of it as a sweet.
Perhaps I should just say candy?
I'm fine with 'awesome'. :-)
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Post by emmel
<bg> Now you are talking.
There isn't really much of that stuff involved anymore, not after
grandma died. I so have no problems with getting over stuffed at high
holidays.
Well, most of the stuff I have left over is store-bought chocolate. The
homemade things go first, especially the English toffee.
Um, there is home-made chocolate? How does that work? You can't really
buy the raw ingredients, can you, and then it's kind of complex. Or were
you talking candy in general? Home-made honey candy is pretty awesome
and addictive.
Not the chocolate, no. I speak of candy, like the toffee, or truffles,
or sea foam, or to expand the range, cookies of various sorts.
emmel
2009-01-19 18:05:54 UTC
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Oh, the enjoyment of chocolate (and other sweets) and exercise are
Um, I think I mentioned it before: My chocolate is *not* sweet. At all.
Perhaps you've mentioned it... How not sweet though? As I've gotten
No sugar. 100% cocoa. Excuse me for a sec...
Ah, fantastic. I wonder why I'm the only one in the family to like it...
The only way you can get 100% cocoa here is in the form of baker's
chocolate. That does get to the point of a little too much for me.
I think there is quite a difference. They cook that stuff for...
::off to the fridge::
(Yummy!) 72 hours, or at least they say so. Conching is more or less
cooking, isn't it? They are also using cocoa from some special
plantation. Maybe even a different sort from the stuff normally used for
chocolate. Would definitely go a long explain why I like it better than
the 98% from some other brand.
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Um, there is home-made chocolate? How does that work? You can't really
buy the raw ingredients, can you, and then it's kind of complex. Or were
you talking candy in general? Home-made honey candy is pretty awesome
and addictive.
Not the chocolate, no. I speak of candy, like the toffee, or truffles,
or sea foam, or to expand the range, cookies of various sorts.
I think the only home made sweets I have experience with are cookies
(probably quite unlike the kind you are used to) and said honey sweets,
although I only made those once and they tasted a bit like burned butter
(since I made the mistake to put butter in). Were still quite addictive
as far I was concerned.
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Red Dragon
2009-01-20 19:59:35 UTC
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Oh, the enjoyment of chocolate (and other sweets) and exercise are
Um, I think I mentioned it before: My chocolate is *not* sweet. At all.
Perhaps you've mentioned it... How not sweet though? As I've gotten
No sugar. 100% cocoa. Excuse me for a sec...
Ah, fantastic. I wonder why I'm the only one in the family to like it...
The only way you can get 100% cocoa here is in the form of baker's
chocolate. That does get to the point of a little too much for me.
I think there is quite a difference. They cook that stuff for...
(Yummy!) 72 hours, or at least they say so. Conching is more or less
cooking, isn't it? They are also using cocoa from some special
plantation. Maybe even a different sort from the stuff normally used for
chocolate. Would definitely go a long explain why I like it better than
the 98% from some other brand.
Well, as I said... The only way to obtain chocolate with no sugar in it
here is baker's chocolate, no matter how differently it may be prepared.
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Um, there is home-made chocolate? How does that work? You can't really
buy the raw ingredients, can you, and then it's kind of complex. Or were
you talking candy in general? Home-made honey candy is pretty awesome
and addictive.
Not the chocolate, no. I speak of candy, like the toffee, or truffles,
or sea foam, or to expand the range, cookies of various sorts.
I think the only home made sweets I have experience with are cookies
(probably quite unlike the kind you are used to) and said honey sweets,
although I only made those once and they tasted a bit like burned butter
(since I made the mistake to put butter in). Were still quite addictive
as far I was concerned.
I've experienced quite a few kinds of cookies. Admittedly, more
foreign-type ones have mostly been Dutch in nature, but I'm pretty open
when it comes to trying new treats. Except droop. Especially dubbel zout.
Neo
2009-01-18 15:01:03 UTC
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My thing recently has been Animal Crossing for some reason. Well, and
Wii Fit, as a matter of habit along with the weight lifting.
Weight lifting? Oh my.
I assumed weight lifting was part of Wii Fit.
@Red Dragon: Do you train for power or for speed? Since you want to lift
things probably the former. I tended to go for speed with light weights
so I could be faster in combat. Kinetic energy is speed times speed
times mass after all!
Neo
Meh, Wii Fit doesn't really have weight-lifting. Push-ups and the like,
but no dumbbell equivalent.
Oh, the weight-lifting is mostly for power. I do everything in that
realm slowly and deliberately for the most effect. Actual combat is
what's for speed. Pilates/Yoga is for grace and balance, and running is
for endurance.
Actual combat is for actual scars and broken bones.

Hulk Hogan is stronger than me, but I can outrun him easily.

Someone with a fast enough physique can hit him faster than he can cope
with too. I met a girl once with very fast combo's of punches. Lucky for
me she was only trying to impress me and not to actually hit me.

Neo
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emmel
2009-01-18 17:46:09 UTC
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Oh, the weight-lifting is mostly for power. I do everything in that
realm slowly and deliberately for the most effect. Actual combat is
what's for speed. Pilates/Yoga is for grace and balance, and running is
for endurance.
Actual combat is for actual scars and broken bones.
Seconded.
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Hulk Hogan is stronger than me, but I can outrun him easily.
What did you do to get at this information? Compete with him on the
racing track?
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Someone with a fast enough physique can hit him faster than he can cope
with too. I met a girl once with very fast combo's of punches. Lucky for
me she was only trying to impress me and not to actually hit me.
I think you actually need a mixture of both. No point unleashing a
flurry of punches when those lack, well, the punch.
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Neo
2009-01-15 20:59:23 UTC
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My thing recently has been Animal Crossing for some reason. Well, and
Wii Fit, as a matter of habit along with the weight lifting.
Weight lifting? Oh my.
I assumed weight lifting was part of Wii Fit.

@Red Dragon: Do you train for power or for speed? Since you want to lift
things probably the former. I tended to go for speed with light weights
so I could be faster in combat. Kinetic energy is speed times speed
times mass after all!

Neo
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emmel
2009-01-07 21:19:20 UTC
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I once ate a spider to impress a girl that was afraid of them (very
afraid I might add, like panic total heart failure afraid).
Poor thing. (I mean the spider, obviously.)
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