Discussion:
Singing under the shower
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emmel
2009-02-27 00:04:32 UTC
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OK, first of all a little disclaimer. If read that, despite the subject
and despite this warning, it's your fault and yours only. I take no
responsibility whatsoever.
That said, after a prolonged experimental session I think I have
a pretty good idea why many people sing under the shower and some
exclusively so.
First of all the acoustics are usually far from ideal, but water
drowns a lot of voice (pun intended), so you get a situation not much
unlike a sound studio, except for the water running, of course, but the
human brain is remarkable in that it can tune constant noise out rather
well. I guess singing in fog would be similar, although that tends to
dampen sound too much.
Then a shower provides for a certain illusion of privacy. It's a
confined space and you'd assume (falsely most of the time) that you
can't be heard over the sound of the running water. This an important
psychological aspect.
On a more practical level, people tend to shower standing, for
some showering is probably the longest period they do this during the
whole of the day. Standing still is not a natural part of modern life.
Standing, however, is the ideal position for singing. The body is more
or less relaxed and the lungs can comfortably extend into all
directions. The head is upright, the neck not bend and the windpipe thus
straight. Singing is a serious sport when done properly, and posture is
important.
Plus the air is very moist. This is like balm for the vocal
cords and they don't start to hurt that easily. Normally you do warm-ups
before singing, but this should cut down on the after-effects even if
you don't. This is more of a feeling, though, I didn't actually stress
test my voice.
Oh yeah, and it's actually fun. If you can remember the melody
and the lyrics. Laminated sheet music would probably help with that...
And if you have actually read that far, you are likely as crazy
as me to write this.

On different notes, I actually made a second voice for 'Sitting By The
Shore' at the off chance that anyone cares. I don't seem to be able to
sing it without some practice, as it doesn't make that much sense on its
own melody-wise, but it should be possible. You can find it along with
the single voice version on the archive site, under 'PDFs' if I didn't
mess it up. Comments welcome.
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Neo
2009-03-09 22:04:48 UTC
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Post by emmel
OK, first of all a little disclaimer. If read that, despite the subject
and despite this warning, it's your fault and yours only. I take no
responsibility whatsoever.
That said, after a prolonged experimental session I think I have
a pretty good idea why many people sing under the shower and some
exclusively so.
First of all the acoustics are usually far from ideal, but water
drowns a lot of voice (pun intended), so you get a situation not much
unlike a sound studio, except for the water running, of course, but the
human brain is remarkable in that it can tune constant noise out rather
well. I guess singing in fog would be similar, although that tends to
dampen sound too much.
If you realize about fog that:
1) there is no wind
2) water carries sounds further than air (or was it faster?)

Then you realize you hear _everything_ when there is fog.
Post by emmel
Then a shower provides for a certain illusion of privacy. It's a
confined space and you'd assume (falsely most of the time) that you
can't be heard over the sound of the running water. This an important
psychological aspect.
On a more practical level, people tend to shower standing, for
some showering is probably the longest period they do this during the
whole of the day. Standing still is not a natural part of modern life.
Standing, however, is the ideal position for singing. The body is more
or less relaxed and the lungs can comfortably extend into all
directions. The head is upright, the neck not bend and the windpipe thus
straight. Singing is a serious sport when done properly, and posture is
important.
Plus the air is very moist. This is like balm for the vocal
cords and they don't start to hurt that easily. Normally you do warm-ups
before singing, but this should cut down on the after-effects even if
you don't. This is more of a feeling, though, I didn't actually stress
test my voice.
Oh yeah, and it's actually fun. If you can remember the melody
and the lyrics. Laminated sheet music would probably help with that...
And if you have actually read that far, you are likely as crazy
as me to write this.
If I sing, I drown my voice in the music coming out of my hifi set ;-)

But it doesn't happen often en if it does it doesn't last for long.
Post by emmel
On different notes, I actually made a second voice for 'Sitting By The
Shore' at the off chance that anyone cares. I don't seem to be able to
sing it without some practice, as it doesn't make that much sense on its
own melody-wise, but it should be possible. You can find it along with
the single voice version on the archive site, under 'PDFs' if I didn't
mess it up. Comments welcome.
So only the notes are different and the text is the same?

Neo
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emmel
2009-03-09 22:26:17 UTC
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Post by Neo
Post by emmel
OK, first of all a little disclaimer. If read that, despite the subject
and despite this warning, it's your fault and yours only. I take no
responsibility whatsoever.
That said, after a prolonged experimental session I think I have
a pretty good idea why many people sing under the shower and some
exclusively so.
First of all the acoustics are usually far from ideal, but water
drowns a lot of voice (pun intended), so you get a situation not much
unlike a sound studio, except for the water running, of course, but the
human brain is remarkable in that it can tune constant noise out rather
well. I guess singing in fog would be similar, although that tends to
dampen sound too much.
1) there is no wind
Which doesn't really influence sound anyway, unless it gets *too*
strong. But few people sing in a hurricane.
Post by Neo
2) water carries sounds further than air (or was it faster?)
Faster & further, but only in bodies of water. On surfaces, sound just
as light gets flected and reflected. Surfaces are *bad* for conduction.
Post by Neo
Then you realize you hear _everything_ when there is fog.
Have you ever tried? Fog eats sound like cotton wool.
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Then a shower provides for a certain illusion of privacy. It's a
confined space and you'd assume (falsely most of the time) that you
can't be heard over the sound of the running water. This an important
psychological aspect.
On a more practical level, people tend to shower standing, for
some showering is probably the longest period they do this during the
whole of the day. Standing still is not a natural part of modern life.
Standing, however, is the ideal position for singing. The body is more
or less relaxed and the lungs can comfortably extend into all
directions. The head is upright, the neck not bend and the windpipe thus
straight. Singing is a serious sport when done properly, and posture is
important.
Plus the air is very moist. This is like balm for the vocal
cords and they don't start to hurt that easily. Normally you do warm-ups
before singing, but this should cut down on the after-effects even if
you don't. This is more of a feeling, though, I didn't actually stress
test my voice.
Oh yeah, and it's actually fun. If you can remember the melody
and the lyrics. Laminated sheet music would probably help with that...
And if you have actually read that far, you are likely as crazy
as me to write this.
If I sing, I drown my voice in the music coming out of my hifi set ;-)
Where's the fun in that? I mean, you can't possibly sing that bad.
Post by Neo
But it doesn't happen often en if it does it doesn't last for long.
Not enjoying it?
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
On different notes, I actually made a second voice for 'Sitting By The
Shore' at the off chance that anyone cares. I don't seem to be able to
sing it without some practice, as it doesn't make that much sense on its
own melody-wise, but it should be possible. You can find it along with
the single voice version on the archive site, under 'PDFs' if I didn't
mess it up. Comments welcome.
So only the notes are different and the text is the same?
No, the notes aren't different; there are just extra ones. Singing them,
however, might prove a challenge. Plenty of different intervals, some of
them quite large and no obvious harmonics; doesn't sound any good on its
own, I'm afraid. Maybe I'll manage something better one day, but until
then...
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Neo
2009-03-09 22:50:36 UTC
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Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
OK, first of all a little disclaimer. If read that, despite the subject
and despite this warning, it's your fault and yours only. I take no
responsibility whatsoever.
That said, after a prolonged experimental session I think I have
a pretty good idea why many people sing under the shower and some
exclusively so.
First of all the acoustics are usually far from ideal, but water
drowns a lot of voice (pun intended), so you get a situation not much
unlike a sound studio, except for the water running, of course, but the
human brain is remarkable in that it can tune constant noise out rather
well. I guess singing in fog would be similar, although that tends to
dampen sound too much.
1) there is no wind
Which doesn't really influence sound anyway, unless it gets *too*
strong. But few people sing in a hurricane.
Post by Neo
2) water carries sounds further than air (or was it faster?)
Faster & further, but only in bodies of water. On surfaces, sound just
as light gets flected and reflected. Surfaces are *bad* for conduction.
Post by Neo
Then you realize you hear _everything_ when there is fog.
Have you ever tried? Fog eats sound like cotton wool.
Yes I tried. I used to make late night walks on the beach at one point
in my life. Fog is just scary because you see nothing and hear
everything.
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Then a shower provides for a certain illusion of privacy. It's a
confined space and you'd assume (falsely most of the time) that you
can't be heard over the sound of the running water. This an important
psychological aspect.
On a more practical level, people tend to shower standing, for
some showering is probably the longest period they do this during the
whole of the day. Standing still is not a natural part of modern life.
Standing, however, is the ideal position for singing. The body is more
or less relaxed and the lungs can comfortably extend into all
directions. The head is upright, the neck not bend and the windpipe thus
straight. Singing is a serious sport when done properly, and posture is
important.
Plus the air is very moist. This is like balm for the vocal
cords and they don't start to hurt that easily. Normally you do warm-ups
before singing, but this should cut down on the after-effects even if
you don't. This is more of a feeling, though, I didn't actually stress
test my voice.
Oh yeah, and it's actually fun. If you can remember the melody
and the lyrics. Laminated sheet music would probably help with that...
And if you have actually read that far, you are likely as crazy
as me to write this.
If I sing, I drown my voice in the music coming out of my hifi set ;-)
Where's the fun in that? I mean, you can't possibly sing that bad.
Post by Neo
But it doesn't happen often en if it does it doesn't last for long.
Not enjoying it?
I can sing for short periods when I am into the music. Otherwise I am
horrible when it comes to singing.
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
On different notes, I actually made a second voice for 'Sitting By The
Shore' at the off chance that anyone cares. I don't seem to be able to
sing it without some practice, as it doesn't make that much sense on its
own melody-wise, but it should be possible. You can find it along with
the single voice version on the archive site, under 'PDFs' if I didn't
mess it up. Comments welcome.
So only the notes are different and the text is the same?
No, the notes aren't different; there are just extra ones. Singing them,
however, might prove a challenge. Plenty of different intervals, some of
them quite large and no obvious harmonics; doesn't sound any good on its
own, I'm afraid. Maybe I'll manage something better one day, but until
then...
I bet you can record one track, then sing with it on another track, then
put the two together with minimal echo.

For gamers there are sound cancelling headsets IIRC. So you don't hear
an echo on teamspeak or ventrilo.

Neo
--
Everything that has a beginning has an end.
emmel
2009-03-09 23:05:23 UTC
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Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
1) there is no wind
Which doesn't really influence sound anyway, unless it gets *too*
strong. But few people sing in a hurricane.
Post by Neo
2) water carries sounds further than air (or was it faster?)
Faster & further, but only in bodies of water. On surfaces, sound just
as light gets flected and reflected. Surfaces are *bad* for conduction.
Post by Neo
Then you realize you hear _everything_ when there is fog.
Have you ever tried? Fog eats sound like cotton wool.
Yes I tried. I used to make late night walks on the beach at one point
in my life. Fog is just scary because you see nothing and hear
everything.
What kind of strange fog do you have? Not like that stuff we get. (You
might hear more than you see, but you *still* can hear less than normal.
Especially the high tones get lost easily.)
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
If I sing, I drown my voice in the music coming out of my hifi set ;-)
Where's the fun in that? I mean, you can't possibly sing that bad.
Post by Neo
But it doesn't happen often en if it does it doesn't last for long.
Not enjoying it?
I can sing for short periods when I am into the music. Otherwise I am
horrible when it comes to singing.
Too bad.
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
On different notes, I actually made a second voice for 'Sitting By The
Shore' at the off chance that anyone cares. I don't seem to be able to
sing it without some practice, as it doesn't make that much sense on its
own melody-wise, but it should be possible. You can find it along with
the single voice version on the archive site, under 'PDFs' if I didn't
mess it up. Comments welcome.
So only the notes are different and the text is the same?
No, the notes aren't different; there are just extra ones. Singing them,
however, might prove a challenge. Plenty of different intervals, some of
them quite large and no obvious harmonics; doesn't sound any good on its
own, I'm afraid. Maybe I'll manage something better one day, but until
then...
I bet you can record one track, then sing with it on another track, then
put the two together with minimal echo.
I tried. Well, actually I tried singing to the played melody, but I
could only get that done properly with some training. Probably sitting
on a piano; I don't think it would work otherwise.
Post by Neo
For gamers there are sound cancelling headsets IIRC. So you don't hear
an echo on teamspeak or ventrilo.
What for? With proper headphones, the micro won't pick up anything.
Unless you raise the volume to very unhealthy levels, that is. *That*
works fine. Better than me adhering to the rhythm of the midi.
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Neo
2009-03-10 12:44:42 UTC
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Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
1) there is no wind
Which doesn't really influence sound anyway, unless it gets *too*
strong. But few people sing in a hurricane.
Post by Neo
2) water carries sounds further than air (or was it faster?)
Faster & further, but only in bodies of water. On surfaces, sound just
as light gets flected and reflected. Surfaces are *bad* for conduction.
Post by Neo
Then you realize you hear _everything_ when there is fog.
Have you ever tried? Fog eats sound like cotton wool.
Yes I tried. I used to make late night walks on the beach at one point
in my life. Fog is just scary because you see nothing and hear
everything.
What kind of strange fog do you have? Not like that stuff we get. (You
might hear more than you see, but you *still* can hear less than normal.
Especially the high tones get lost easily.)
Sea mist.
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
If I sing, I drown my voice in the music coming out of my hifi set ;-)
Where's the fun in that? I mean, you can't possibly sing that bad.
Post by Neo
But it doesn't happen often en if it does it doesn't last for long.
Not enjoying it?
I can sing for short periods when I am into the music. Otherwise I am
horrible when it comes to singing.
Too bad.
I have been told I sing quite well once or twice during the short bursts
that I feel like singing. But a stage vocalist I will never be.
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
On different notes, I actually made a second voice for 'Sitting By The
Shore' at the off chance that anyone cares. I don't seem to be able to
sing it without some practice, as it doesn't make that much sense on its
own melody-wise, but it should be possible. You can find it along with
the single voice version on the archive site, under 'PDFs' if I didn't
mess it up. Comments welcome.
So only the notes are different and the text is the same?
No, the notes aren't different; there are just extra ones. Singing them,
however, might prove a challenge. Plenty of different intervals, some of
them quite large and no obvious harmonics; doesn't sound any good on its
own, I'm afraid. Maybe I'll manage something better one day, but until
then...
I bet you can record one track, then sing with it on another track, then
put the two together with minimal echo.
I tried. Well, actually I tried singing to the played melody, but I
could only get that done properly with some training. Probably sitting
on a piano; I don't think it would work otherwise.
Just don't use a drum computer or a keyboard. Those things will ruin
every song you will use them in.
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
For gamers there are sound cancelling headsets IIRC. So you don't hear
an echo on teamspeak or ventrilo.
What for? With proper headphones, the micro won't pick up anything.
Unless you raise the volume to very unhealthy levels, that is. *That*
works fine. Better than me adhering to the rhythm of the midi.
I think the microphone has two speakers. One directed at your voice. And
one directed at the room around you.

Then the sound of your room is subtracted from the sound of your voice.

Echo can be quite bad in multi-player games and not everybody wears
headphones.

Neo
--
Everything that has a beginning has an end.
emmel
2009-03-10 12:57:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
1) there is no wind
Which doesn't really influence sound anyway, unless it gets *too*
strong. But few people sing in a hurricane.
Post by Neo
2) water carries sounds further than air (or was it faster?)
Faster & further, but only in bodies of water. On surfaces, sound just
as light gets flected and reflected. Surfaces are *bad* for conduction.
Post by Neo
Then you realize you hear _everything_ when there is fog.
Have you ever tried? Fog eats sound like cotton wool.
Yes I tried. I used to make late night walks on the beach at one point
in my life. Fog is just scary because you see nothing and hear
everything.
What kind of strange fog do you have? Not like that stuff we get. (You
might hear more than you see, but you *still* can hear less than normal.
Especially the high tones get lost easily.)
Sea mist.
Same there.
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
If I sing, I drown my voice in the music coming out of my hifi set ;-)
Where's the fun in that? I mean, you can't possibly sing that bad.
Post by Neo
But it doesn't happen often en if it does it doesn't last for long.
Not enjoying it?
I can sing for short periods when I am into the music. Otherwise I am
horrible when it comes to singing.
Too bad.
I have been told I sing quite well once or twice during the short bursts
that I feel like singing. But a stage vocalist I will never be.
Yeah, you are probably to good for that. I mean who many so called
singers actually can hold a tone?
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
On different notes, I actually made a second voice for 'Sitting By The
Shore' at the off chance that anyone cares. I don't seem to be able to
sing it without some practice, as it doesn't make that much sense on its
own melody-wise, but it should be possible. You can find it along with
the single voice version on the archive site, under 'PDFs' if I didn't
mess it up. Comments welcome.
So only the notes are different and the text is the same?
No, the notes aren't different; there are just extra ones. Singing them,
however, might prove a challenge. Plenty of different intervals, some of
them quite large and no obvious harmonics; doesn't sound any good on its
own, I'm afraid. Maybe I'll manage something better one day, but until
then...
I bet you can record one track, then sing with it on another track, then
put the two together with minimal echo.
I tried. Well, actually I tried singing to the played melody, but I
could only get that done properly with some training. Probably sitting
on a piano; I don't think it would work otherwise.
Just don't use a drum computer or a keyboard. Those things will ruin
every song you will use them in.
For reference, not for performing. And while I prefer a piano over a
keyboard, for that it should work quite well.
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
For gamers there are sound cancelling headsets IIRC. So you don't hear
an echo on teamspeak or ventrilo.
What for? With proper headphones, the micro won't pick up anything.
Unless you raise the volume to very unhealthy levels, that is. *That*
works fine. Better than me adhering to the rhythm of the midi.
I think the microphone has two speakers. One directed at your voice. And
one directed at the room around you.
A microphone has no speakers whatsoever. And the room would ideally be
silent except for what you want to record.
Post by Neo
Then the sound of your room is subtracted from the sound of your voice.
Echo can be quite bad in multi-player games and not everybody wears
headphones.
Yeah, but it's an entirely different matter depending on whether you
need to get the voice across clearly or do recordings. That's voice as
in spoken. Doesn't work too well with singing.
--
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Neo
2009-03-15 14:15:59 UTC
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<snip>
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
If I sing, I drown my voice in the music coming out of my hifi set ;-)
Where's the fun in that? I mean, you can't possibly sing that bad.
Post by Neo
But it doesn't happen often en if it does it doesn't last for long.
Not enjoying it?
I can sing for short periods when I am into the music. Otherwise I am
horrible when it comes to singing.
Too bad.
I have been told I sing quite well once or twice during the short bursts
that I feel like singing. But a stage vocalist I will never be.
Yeah, you are probably to good for that. I mean who many so called
singers actually can hold a tone?
The music I tend to listen too sounds like they mean what they sing. I
regard this as more important than holding a tone.
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
On different notes, I actually made a second voice for 'Sitting By The
Shore' at the off chance that anyone cares. I don't seem to be able to
sing it without some practice, as it doesn't make that much sense on its
own melody-wise, but it should be possible. You can find it along with
the single voice version on the archive site, under 'PDFs' if I didn't
mess it up. Comments welcome.
So only the notes are different and the text is the same?
No, the notes aren't different; there are just extra ones. Singing them,
however, might prove a challenge. Plenty of different intervals, some of
them quite large and no obvious harmonics; doesn't sound any good on its
own, I'm afraid. Maybe I'll manage something better one day, but until
then...
I bet you can record one track, then sing with it on another track, then
put the two together with minimal echo.
I tried. Well, actually I tried singing to the played melody, but I
could only get that done properly with some training. Probably sitting
on a piano; I don't think it would work otherwise.
Just don't use a drum computer or a keyboard. Those things will ruin
every song you will use them in.
For reference, not for performing. And while I prefer a piano over a
keyboard, for that it should work quite well.
I can't play an instrument and sing at the same time. I would focus on
one of them and ruin the other :-)
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
For gamers there are sound cancelling headsets IIRC. So you don't hear
an echo on teamspeak or ventrilo.
What for? With proper headphones, the micro won't pick up anything.
Unless you raise the volume to very unhealthy levels, that is. *That*
works fine. Better than me adhering to the rhythm of the midi.
I think the microphone has two speakers. One directed at your voice. And
one directed at the room around you.
A microphone has no speakers whatsoever. And the room would ideally be
silent except for what you want to record.
True. But I doubt you have got access to a sound proof room.
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Then the sound of your room is subtracted from the sound of your voice.
Echo can be quite bad in multi-player games and not everybody wears
headphones.
Yeah, but it's an entirely different matter depending on whether you
need to get the voice across clearly or do recordings. That's voice as
in spoken. Doesn't work too well with singing.
The recording you made earlier in this group was quite horrible :-) I
would worry about the acoustics of your room later ;-)

Neo
--
Everything that has a beginning has an end.
emmel
2009-03-15 14:38:54 UTC
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Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Yeah, you are probably to good for that. I mean who many so called
singers actually can hold a tone?
The music I tend to listen too sounds like they mean what they sing. I
regard this as more important than holding a tone.
Who can't sing shouldn't. Period.
That's not to say there aren't enough people out there who can sing, but
unfortunately there are plenty of counter-examples as well.
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
For reference, not for performing. And while I prefer a piano over a
keyboard, for that it should work quite well.
I can't play an instrument and sing at the same time. I would focus on
one of them and ruin the other :-)
Oh, it's not so bad when you don't try to play with both hands.
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
For gamers there are sound cancelling headsets IIRC. So you don't hear
an echo on teamspeak or ventrilo.
What for? With proper headphones, the micro won't pick up anything.
Unless you raise the volume to very unhealthy levels, that is. *That*
works fine. Better than me adhering to the rhythm of the midi.
I think the microphone has two speakers. One directed at your voice. And
one directed at the room around you.
A microphone has no speakers whatsoever. And the room would ideally be
silent except for what you want to record.
True. But I doubt you have got access to a sound proof room.
Except for the computer fan, I get a pretty good approximation.
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Then the sound of your room is subtracted from the sound of your voice.
Echo can be quite bad in multi-player games and not everybody wears
headphones.
Yeah, but it's an entirely different matter depending on whether you
need to get the voice across clearly or do recordings. That's voice as
in spoken. Doesn't work too well with singing.
The recording you made earlier in this group was quite horrible :-) I
would worry about the acoustics of your room later ;-)
Yeah, laptop soundcard. I've played around a bit, and running it through
a SB64PCI and then recording it with my CMI, it's much better. Power
supply fan aside, but that can be filtered out quite reliably.
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Neo
2009-03-15 14:52:39 UTC
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Yeah, you are probably to good for that. I mean who many so called
singers actually can hold a tone?
The music I tend to listen too sounds like they mean what they sing. I
regard this as more important than holding a tone.
Who can't sing shouldn't. Period.
That's not to say there aren't enough people out there who can sing, but
unfortunately there are plenty of counter-examples as well.
The singer of the band Filter and Prong can't sing very well. Still I
enjoy their music now and then.
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For reference, not for performing. And while I prefer a piano over a
keyboard, for that it should work quite well.
I can't play an instrument and sing at the same time. I would focus on
one of them and ruin the other :-)
Oh, it's not so bad when you don't try to play with both hands.
The guitar tends to become quite limited when played with only one hand
(either six notes or 'hammer-on's).
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For gamers there are sound cancelling headsets IIRC. So you don't hear
an echo on teamspeak or ventrilo.
What for? With proper headphones, the micro won't pick up anything.
Unless you raise the volume to very unhealthy levels, that is. *That*
works fine. Better than me adhering to the rhythm of the midi.
I think the microphone has two speakers. One directed at your voice. And
one directed at the room around you.
A microphone has no speakers whatsoever. And the room would ideally be
silent except for what you want to record.
True. But I doubt you have got access to a sound proof room.
Except for the computer fan, I get a pretty good approximation.
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Then the sound of your room is subtracted from the sound of your voice.
Echo can be quite bad in multi-player games and not everybody wears
headphones.
Yeah, but it's an entirely different matter depending on whether you
need to get the voice across clearly or do recordings. That's voice as
in spoken. Doesn't work too well with singing.
The recording you made earlier in this group was quite horrible :-) I
would worry about the acoustics of your room later ;-)
Yeah, laptop soundcard. I've played around a bit, and running it through
a SB64PCI and then recording it with my CMI, it's much better. Power
supply fan aside, but that can be filtered out quite reliably.
Sounds promising. My power supply fan turns off during light load btw.
You should never get a cheap power supply IMO because the cheap ones
don't provide their 12 and 5 volts well under high load.

Neo
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emmel
2009-03-15 14:59:28 UTC
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The music I tend to listen too sounds like they mean what they sing. I
regard this as more important than holding a tone.
Who can't sing shouldn't. Period.
That's not to say there aren't enough people out there who can sing, but
unfortunately there are plenty of counter-examples as well.
The singer of the band Filter and Prong can't sing very well. Still I
enjoy their music now and then.
As I said: Period.
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Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
For reference, not for performing. And while I prefer a piano over a
keyboard, for that it should work quite well.
I can't play an instrument and sing at the same time. I would focus on
one of them and ruin the other :-)
Oh, it's not so bad when you don't try to play with both hands.
The guitar tends to become quite limited when played with only one hand
(either six notes or 'hammer-on's).
I guess. My experience is limited to piano and a bit of harpsichord, I'm
afraid.
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Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Then the sound of your room is subtracted from the sound of your voice.
Echo can be quite bad in multi-player games and not everybody wears
headphones.
Yeah, but it's an entirely different matter depending on whether you
need to get the voice across clearly or do recordings. That's voice as
in spoken. Doesn't work too well with singing.
The recording you made earlier in this group was quite horrible :-) I
would worry about the acoustics of your room later ;-)
Yeah, laptop soundcard. I've played around a bit, and running it through
a SB64PCI and then recording it with my CMI, it's much better. Power
supply fan aside, but that can be filtered out quite reliably.
Sounds promising. My power supply fan turns off during light load btw.
You should never get a cheap power supply IMO because the cheap ones
don't provide their 12 and 5 volts well under high load.
Mine came with the case...
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2009-03-15 15:10:27 UTC
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The music I tend to listen too sounds like they mean what they sing. I
regard this as more important than holding a tone.
Who can't sing shouldn't. Period.
That's not to say there aren't enough people out there who can sing, but
unfortunately there are plenty of counter-examples as well.
The singer of the band Filter and Prong can't sing very well. Still I
enjoy their music now and then.
As I said: Period.
How about Andrew W.K. He is a bad singer too. Still his music is very
energetic.
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Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
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For reference, not for performing. And while I prefer a piano over a
keyboard, for that it should work quite well.
I can't play an instrument and sing at the same time. I would focus on
one of them and ruin the other :-)
Oh, it's not so bad when you don't try to play with both hands.
The guitar tends to become quite limited when played with only one hand
(either six notes or 'hammer-on's).
I guess. My experience is limited to piano and a bit of harpsichord, I'm
afraid.
You can imagine playing a guitar with only one hand.
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Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Then the sound of your room is subtracted from the sound of your voice.
Echo can be quite bad in multi-player games and not everybody wears
headphones.
Yeah, but it's an entirely different matter depending on whether you
need to get the voice across clearly or do recordings. That's voice as
in spoken. Doesn't work too well with singing.
The recording you made earlier in this group was quite horrible :-) I
would worry about the acoustics of your room later ;-)
Yeah, laptop soundcard. I've played around a bit, and running it through
a SB64PCI and then recording it with my CMI, it's much better. Power
supply fan aside, but that can be filtered out quite reliably.
Sounds promising. My power supply fan turns off during light load btw.
You should never get a cheap power supply IMO because the cheap ones
don't provide their 12 and 5 volts well under high load.
Mine came with the case...
I have been buying 'No PSU' cases for some time now. Though I think
AOpen cases aren't that bad in my personal experience.

Neo
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emmel
2009-03-15 15:19:12 UTC
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Post by emmel
Post by Neo
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Post by Neo
The music I tend to listen too sounds like they mean what they sing. I
regard this as more important than holding a tone.
Who can't sing shouldn't. Period.
That's not to say there aren't enough people out there who can sing, but
unfortunately there are plenty of counter-examples as well.
The singer of the band Filter and Prong can't sing very well. Still I
enjoy their music now and then.
As I said: Period.
How about Andrew W.K. He is a bad singer too. Still his music is very
energetic.
Don't know 'em. Not interested in changing that.
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Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
For reference, not for performing. And while I prefer a piano over a
keyboard, for that it should work quite well.
I can't play an instrument and sing at the same time. I would focus on
one of them and ruin the other :-)
Oh, it's not so bad when you don't try to play with both hands.
The guitar tends to become quite limited when played with only one hand
(either six notes or 'hammer-on's).
I guess. My experience is limited to piano and a bit of harpsichord, I'm
afraid.
You can imagine playing a guitar with only one hand.
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Then the sound of your room is subtracted from the sound of your voice.
Echo can be quite bad in multi-player games and not everybody wears
headphones.
Yeah, but it's an entirely different matter depending on whether you
need to get the voice across clearly or do recordings. That's voice as
in spoken. Doesn't work too well with singing.
The recording you made earlier in this group was quite horrible :-) I
would worry about the acoustics of your room later ;-)
Yeah, laptop soundcard. I've played around a bit, and running it through
a SB64PCI and then recording it with my CMI, it's much better. Power
supply fan aside, but that can be filtered out quite reliably.
Sounds promising. My power supply fan turns off during light load btw.
You should never get a cheap power supply IMO because the cheap ones
don't provide their 12 and 5 volts well under high load.
Mine came with the case...
I have been buying 'No PSU' cases for some time now. Though I think
AOpen cases aren't that bad in my personal experience.
Good for you. I think.
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2009-03-15 15:29:57 UTC
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Post by Neo
The music I tend to listen too sounds like they mean what they sing. I
regard this as more important than holding a tone.
Who can't sing shouldn't. Period.
That's not to say there aren't enough people out there who can sing, but
unfortunately there are plenty of counter-examples as well.
The singer of the band Filter and Prong can't sing very well. Still I
enjoy their music now and then.
As I said: Period.
How about Andrew W.K. He is a bad singer too. Still his music is very
energetic.
Don't know 'em. Not interested in changing that.
Gets out the aggression in you. Doesn't need to be on key.
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Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
For reference, not for performing. And while I prefer a piano over a
keyboard, for that it should work quite well.
I can't play an instrument and sing at the same time. I would focus on
one of them and ruin the other :-)
Oh, it's not so bad when you don't try to play with both hands.
The guitar tends to become quite limited when played with only one hand
(either six notes or 'hammer-on's).
I guess. My experience is limited to piano and a bit of harpsichord, I'm
afraid.
You can imagine playing a guitar with only one hand.
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Then the sound of your room is subtracted from the sound of your voice.
Echo can be quite bad in multi-player games and not everybody wears
headphones.
Yeah, but it's an entirely different matter depending on whether you
need to get the voice across clearly or do recordings. That's voice as
in spoken. Doesn't work too well with singing.
The recording you made earlier in this group was quite horrible :-) I
would worry about the acoustics of your room later ;-)
Yeah, laptop soundcard. I've played around a bit, and running it through
a SB64PCI and then recording it with my CMI, it's much better. Power
supply fan aside, but that can be filtered out quite reliably.
Sounds promising. My power supply fan turns off during light load btw.
You should never get a cheap power supply IMO because the cheap ones
don't provide their 12 and 5 volts well under high load.
Mine came with the case...
I have been buying 'No PSU' cases for some time now. Though I think
AOpen cases aren't that bad in my personal experience.
Good for you. I think.
Just remember, when you build your next computer, get the most expensive
PSU you can get for the wattage you will need. Antec is a good brand.

Also note that a PSU will get worse over time, so you will need a buffer
to account for this.

Neo
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emmel
2009-03-15 15:37:36 UTC
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Who can't sing shouldn't. Period.
That's not to say there aren't enough people out there who can sing, but
unfortunately there are plenty of counter-examples as well.
The singer of the band Filter and Prong can't sing very well. Still I
enjoy their music now and then.
As I said: Period.
How about Andrew W.K. He is a bad singer too. Still his music is very
energetic.
Don't know 'em. Not interested in changing that.
Gets out the aggression in you. Doesn't need to be on key.
Off-key makes me quite aggressive.
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Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Sounds promising. My power supply fan turns off during light load btw.
You should never get a cheap power supply IMO because the cheap ones
don't provide their 12 and 5 volts well under high load.
Mine came with the case...
I have been buying 'No PSU' cases for some time now. Though I think
AOpen cases aren't that bad in my personal experience.
Good for you. I think.
Just remember, when you build your next computer, get the most expensive
PSU you can get for the wattage you will need. Antec is a good brand.
Also note that a PSU will get worse over time, so you will need a buffer
to account for this.
You know, low budget?
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Neo
2009-03-15 17:25:12 UTC
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Who can't sing shouldn't. Period.
That's not to say there aren't enough people out there who can sing, but
unfortunately there are plenty of counter-examples as well.
The singer of the band Filter and Prong can't sing very well. Still I
enjoy their music now and then.
As I said: Period.
How about Andrew W.K. He is a bad singer too. Still his music is very
energetic.
Don't know 'em. Not interested in changing that.
Gets out the aggression in you. Doesn't need to be on key.
Off-key makes me quite aggressive.
That is the whole point of the music these bands make :-)
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Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Sounds promising. My power supply fan turns off during light load btw.
You should never get a cheap power supply IMO because the cheap ones
don't provide their 12 and 5 volts well under high load.
Mine came with the case...
I have been buying 'No PSU' cases for some time now. Though I think
AOpen cases aren't that bad in my personal experience.
Good for you. I think.
Just remember, when you build your next computer, get the most expensive
PSU you can get for the wattage you will need. Antec is a good brand.
Also note that a PSU will get worse over time, so you will need a buffer
to account for this.
You know, low budget?
So go for the AOpen cases. If there is a 120 mm fan in the bottom of
your power supply, in theory it should be more quiet.

Neo
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emmel
2009-03-15 17:48:56 UTC
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How about Andrew W.K. He is a bad singer too. Still his music is very
energetic.
Don't know 'em. Not interested in changing that.
Gets out the aggression in you. Doesn't need to be on key.
Off-key makes me quite aggressive.
That is the whole point of the music these bands make :-)
Sorry, but I'm reasonably musical. I'm not compatible with that kind of
thing.
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Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Sounds promising. My power supply fan turns off during light load btw.
You should never get a cheap power supply IMO because the cheap ones
don't provide their 12 and 5 volts well under high load.
Mine came with the case...
I have been buying 'No PSU' cases for some time now. Though I think
AOpen cases aren't that bad in my personal experience.
Good for you. I think.
Just remember, when you build your next computer, get the most expensive
PSU you can get for the wattage you will need. Antec is a good brand.
Also note that a PSU will get worse over time, so you will need a buffer
to account for this.
You know, low budget?
So go for the AOpen cases. If there is a 120 mm fan in the bottom of
your power supply, in theory it should be more quiet.
I'm not going to buy any case anytime soon.
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Neo
2009-03-15 18:09:25 UTC
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Post by Neo
How about Andrew W.K. He is a bad singer too. Still his music is very
energetic.
Don't know 'em. Not interested in changing that.
Gets out the aggression in you. Doesn't need to be on key.
Off-key makes me quite aggressive.
That is the whole point of the music these bands make :-)
Sorry, but I'm reasonably musical. I'm not compatible with that kind of
thing.
You're not combat-able?

Neo
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emmel
2009-03-15 18:52:39 UTC
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Post by Neo
How about Andrew W.K. He is a bad singer too. Still his music is very
energetic.
Don't know 'em. Not interested in changing that.
Gets out the aggression in you. Doesn't need to be on key.
Off-key makes me quite aggressive.
That is the whole point of the music these bands make :-)
Sorry, but I'm reasonably musical. I'm not compatible with that kind of
thing.
You're not combat-able?
Indeed.
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Neo
2009-03-20 15:02:55 UTC
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How about Andrew W.K. He is a bad singer too. Still his music is very
energetic.
Don't know 'em. Not interested in changing that.
Gets out the aggression in you. Doesn't need to be on key.
Off-key makes me quite aggressive.
That is the whole point of the music these bands make :-)
Sorry, but I'm reasonably musical. I'm not compatible with that kind of
thing.
You're not combat-able?
Indeed.
But are you combat-able for other people?

Neo
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emmel
2009-03-20 18:31:13 UTC
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That is the whole point of the music these bands make :-)
Sorry, but I'm reasonably musical. I'm not compatible with that kind of
thing.
You're not combat-able?
Indeed.
But are you combat-able for other people?
Nope.
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2009-03-20 20:38:52 UTC
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That is the whole point of the music these bands make :-)
Sorry, but I'm reasonably musical. I'm not compatible with that kind of
thing.
You're not combat-able?
Indeed.
But are you combat-able for other people?
Nope.
So why are you carrying a flame thrower and an asbestos suit?

Neo
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2009-03-20 22:10:47 UTC
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Post by Neo
That is the whole point of the music these bands make :-)
Sorry, but I'm reasonably musical. I'm not compatible with that kind of
thing.
You're not combat-able?
Indeed.
But are you combat-able for other people?
Nope.
So why are you carrying a flame thrower and an asbestos suit?
Asbestos suit? Can't be me, *we* have armour for that. And the flame
thrower is used for flame wars, obviously. Waiting for the AGLAMIAns to
show their ugly heads.
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Neo
2009-03-27 13:23:58 UTC
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Post by Neo
That is the whole point of the music these bands make :-)
Sorry, but I'm reasonably musical. I'm not compatible with that kind of
thing.
You're not combat-able?
Indeed.
But are you combat-able for other people?
Nope.
So why are you carrying a flame thrower and an asbestos suit?
Asbestos suit? Can't be me, *we* have armour for that. And the flame
thrower is used for flame wars, obviously. Waiting for the AGLAMIAns to
show their ugly heads.
So AGLAMIAns are combat-able for you!!

Neo
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emmel
2009-03-27 13:24:02 UTC
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Post by Neo
That is the whole point of the music these bands make :-)
Sorry, but I'm reasonably musical. I'm not compatible with that kind of
thing.
You're not combat-able?
Indeed.
But are you combat-able for other people?
Nope.
So why are you carrying a flame thrower and an asbestos suit?
Asbestos suit? Can't be me, *we* have armour for that. And the flame
thrower is used for flame wars, obviously. Waiting for the AGLAMIAns to
show their ugly heads.
So AGLAMIAns are combat-able for you!!
Fryable. Eat-able, under the right circumstances. Combat-able? Not
really.
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2009-03-27 13:46:15 UTC
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That is the whole point of the music these bands make :-)
Sorry, but I'm reasonably musical. I'm not compatible with that kind of
thing.
You're not combat-able?
Indeed.
But are you combat-able for other people?
Nope.
So why are you carrying a flame thrower and an asbestos suit?
Asbestos suit? Can't be me, *we* have armour for that. And the flame
thrower is used for flame wars, obviously. Waiting for the AGLAMIAns to
show their ugly heads.
So AGLAMIAns are combat-able for you!!
Fryable. Eat-able, under the right circumstances. Combat-able? Not
really.
So you really need something tougher to fight?

Neo
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2009-03-27 14:49:45 UTC
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Asbestos suit? Can't be me, *we* have armour for that. And the flame
thrower is used for flame wars, obviously. Waiting for the AGLAMIAns to
show their ugly heads.
So AGLAMIAns are combat-able for you!!
Fryable. Eat-able, under the right circumstances. Combat-able? Not
really.
So you really need something tougher to fight?
Actually, I already have both hands full with fighting myself. Probably
the only opponent that really, deeply scares me. And that's not any
pretence in any way. I mean it. Seriously.
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Neo
2009-03-30 20:53:03 UTC
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Asbestos suit? Can't be me, *we* have armour for that. And the flame
thrower is used for flame wars, obviously. Waiting for the AGLAMIAns to
show their ugly heads.
So AGLAMIAns are combat-able for you!!
Fryable. Eat-able, under the right circumstances. Combat-able? Not
really.
So you really need something tougher to fight?
Actually, I already have both hands full with fighting myself. Probably
the only opponent that really, deeply scares me. And that's not any
pretence in any way. I mean it. Seriously.
But when you conquer yourself, there will be nothing left to fear for
the rest of your life. Or as my martial arts instructor put it: "When
you think you will lose you have lost already". Or in yet other words:
"your worst enemy is yourself".

I mean aside from things like being tied down and having your
fingernails removed one by one. For starters.

And you will gain the highly sought after sarcasm skill! You can talk
bad about other people and seem like you are saying nice things! People
will like you because you always seem optimistic and able to deal with
any situation!

So good luck and let me know how the fight goes. It is a fight no-one
can join you in. You're on your own when battling yourself.

Yoda probably also has some things to say about this ;-)

Neo
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Everything that has a beginning has an end.
emmel
2009-03-30 21:24:15 UTC
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Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Asbestos suit? Can't be me, *we* have armour for that. And the flame
thrower is used for flame wars, obviously. Waiting for the AGLAMIAns to
show their ugly heads.
So AGLAMIAns are combat-able for you!!
Fryable. Eat-able, under the right circumstances. Combat-able? Not
really.
So you really need something tougher to fight?
Actually, I already have both hands full with fighting myself. Probably
the only opponent that really, deeply scares me. And that's not any
pretence in any way. I mean it. Seriously.
But when you conquer yourself, there will be nothing left to fear for
the rest of your life. Or as my martial arts instructor put it: "When
"your worst enemy is yourself".
It's not like that. Not something to fight and conquer. It's just that
I'm sometimes seriously scared of what might lurk beneath that skin of
mine. Probably doesn't make much sense.
Post by Neo
I mean aside from things like being tied down and having your
fingernails removed one by one. For starters.
Well, obviously.
Post by Neo
And you will gain the highly sought after sarcasm skill! You can talk
bad about other people and seem like you are saying nice things! People
Ah, *that's* what you do. You let your mask slip.
Post by Neo
will like you because you always seem optimistic and able to deal with
any situation!
Nah, I think I'll stick to apathy and pessimism.
Post by Neo
So good luck and let me know how the fight goes. It is a fight no-one
can join you in. You're on your own when battling yourself.
I've never been much of a fighter.
Post by Neo
Yoda probably also has some things to say about this ;-)
Fear and anxiety the path to the dark side they are.
--
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Neo
2009-03-30 22:19:38 UTC
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Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Asbestos suit? Can't be me, *we* have armour for that. And the flame
thrower is used for flame wars, obviously. Waiting for the AGLAMIAns to
show their ugly heads.
So AGLAMIAns are combat-able for you!!
Fryable. Eat-able, under the right circumstances. Combat-able? Not
really.
So you really need something tougher to fight?
Actually, I already have both hands full with fighting myself. Probably
the only opponent that really, deeply scares me. And that's not any
pretence in any way. I mean it. Seriously.
But when you conquer yourself, there will be nothing left to fear for
the rest of your life. Or as my martial arts instructor put it: "When
"your worst enemy is yourself".
It's not like that. Not something to fight and conquer. It's just that
I'm sometimes seriously scared of what might lurk beneath that skin of
mine. Probably doesn't make much sense.
You like to tie up defenceless girls and stab them with a knife.

That's evil I guess.
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
I mean aside from things like being tied down and having your
fingernails removed one by one. For starters.
Well, obviously.
Yeah, I always wonder if they train Dutch commando's like that. I have a
brochure that tells they drop you in France and then hunt you down and
torture you as part of the training.

I know people who had their nails removed by a doctor. The thought is
what scares me the most.
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
And you will gain the highly sought after sarcasm skill! You can talk
bad about other people and seem like you are saying nice things! People
Ah, *that's* what you do. You let your mask slip.
Yet I was being sarcastic when I said it.
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
will like you because you always seem optimistic and able to deal with
any situation!
Nah, I think I'll stick to apathy and pessimism.
There is a kind of music for every mood I guess.
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
So good luck and let me know how the fight goes. It is a fight no-one
can join you in. You're on your own when battling yourself.
I've never been much of a fighter.
Me neither. That is why I still have a complete set of teeth.
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Yoda probably also has some things to say about this ;-)
Fear and anxiety the path to the dark side they are.
I guess that is also true :-) Though anxiety can produce great warriors
in tight spots! It can bring out bravery in even the worst of warriors.

Neo
--
Everything that has a beginning has an end.
emmel
2009-03-30 22:37:11 UTC
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Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Asbestos suit? Can't be me, *we* have armour for that. And the flame
thrower is used for flame wars, obviously. Waiting for the AGLAMIAns to
show their ugly heads.
So AGLAMIAns are combat-able for you!!
Fryable. Eat-able, under the right circumstances. Combat-able? Not
really.
So you really need something tougher to fight?
Actually, I already have both hands full with fighting myself. Probably
the only opponent that really, deeply scares me. And that's not any
pretence in any way. I mean it. Seriously.
But when you conquer yourself, there will be nothing left to fear for
the rest of your life. Or as my martial arts instructor put it: "When
"your worst enemy is yourself".
It's not like that. Not something to fight and conquer. It's just that
I'm sometimes seriously scared of what might lurk beneath that skin of
mine. Probably doesn't make much sense.
You like to tie up defenceless girls and stab them with a knife.
That's evil I guess.
It gets a lot more interesting. Remember, both the little girl stabbing
and the defenceless girl getting stabbed are both in a way me. Fun time
for psychoanalysts, I say.
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
I mean aside from things like being tied down and having your
fingernails removed one by one. For starters.
Well, obviously.
Yeah, I always wonder if they train Dutch commando's like that. I have a
brochure that tells they drop you in France and then hunt you down and
torture you as part of the training.
How... Uncivilised.
Post by Neo
I know people who had their nails removed by a doctor. The thought is
what scares me the most.
Urgh. There's a damn good reason for us to have finger nails and I
really wouldn't want to use my fingers without them.
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
And you will gain the highly sought after sarcasm skill! You can talk
bad about other people and seem like you are saying nice things! People
Ah, *that's* what you do. You let your mask slip.
Yet I was being sarcastic when I said it.
Says you.
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
will like you because you always seem optimistic and able to deal with
any situation!
Nah, I think I'll stick to apathy and pessimism.
There is a kind of music for every mood I guess.
Silence.
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
So good luck and let me know how the fight goes. It is a fight no-one
can join you in. You're on your own when battling yourself.
I've never been much of a fighter.
Me neither. That is why I still have a complete set of teeth.
Better that way, I guess.
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Yoda probably also has some things to say about this ;-)
Fear and anxiety the path to the dark side they are.
I guess that is also true :-) Though anxiety can produce great warriors
in tight spots! It can bring out bravery in even the worst of warriors.
A great warrior knows better than to get into tight spots.
--
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Neo
2009-03-30 23:12:35 UTC
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Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Asbestos suit? Can't be me, *we* have armour for that. And the flame
thrower is used for flame wars, obviously. Waiting for the AGLAMIAns to
show their ugly heads.
So AGLAMIAns are combat-able for you!!
Fryable. Eat-able, under the right circumstances. Combat-able? Not
really.
So you really need something tougher to fight?
Actually, I already have both hands full with fighting myself. Probably
the only opponent that really, deeply scares me. And that's not any
pretence in any way. I mean it. Seriously.
But when you conquer yourself, there will be nothing left to fear for
the rest of your life. Or as my martial arts instructor put it: "When
"your worst enemy is yourself".
It's not like that. Not something to fight and conquer. It's just that
I'm sometimes seriously scared of what might lurk beneath that skin of
mine. Probably doesn't make much sense.
You like to tie up defenceless girls and stab them with a knife.
That's evil I guess.
It gets a lot more interesting. Remember, both the little girl stabbing
and the defenceless girl getting stabbed are both in a way me. Fun time
for psychoanalysts, I say.
Except that you have read a bit on psychoanalystics. (As have I).
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
I mean aside from things like being tied down and having your
fingernails removed one by one. For starters.
Well, obviously.
Yeah, I always wonder if they train Dutch commando's like that. I have a
brochure that tells they drop you in France and then hunt you down and
torture you as part of the training.
How... Uncivilised.
Getting captured is a possibility when you are operating past the front
line of your army.
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
I know people who had their nails removed by a doctor. The thought is
what scares me the most.
Urgh. There's a damn good reason for us to have finger nails and I
really wouldn't want to use my fingers without them.
They grow back. Sometimes when you have ingrown nails, they have to be
pulled out. And you get a syringe with pain killers injected under your
nail before it is pulled.
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
And you will gain the highly sought after sarcasm skill! You can talk
bad about other people and seem like you are saying nice things! People
Ah, *that's* what you do. You let your mask slip.
Yet I was being sarcastic when I said it.
Says you.
I am always sarcastic :-))
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
will like you because you always seem optimistic and able to deal with
any situation!
Nah, I think I'll stick to apathy and pessimism.
There is a kind of music for every mood I guess.
Silence.
There is so much depressing music where the frontman eventually killed
himself. Take Joy Division! Or Nirvana to name two very popular examples.
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
So good luck and let me know how the fight goes. It is a fight no-one
can join you in. You're on your own when battling yourself.
I've never been much of a fighter.
Me neither. That is why I still have a complete set of teeth.
Better that way, I guess.
It amazes me how popular media romantice punching someone else in the
face. It only gets the victim mad and enraged/berserk. How can you win
against an opponent like that?
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Yoda probably also has some things to say about this ;-)
Fear and anxiety the path to the dark side they are.
I guess that is also true :-) Though anxiety can produce great warriors
in tight spots! It can bring out bravery in even the worst of warriors.
A great warrior knows better than to get into tight spots.
A great warrior *Loves* a good challenge. But he also loves his team
mates and keeping them safe.

Neo
--
Everything that has a beginning has an end.
emmel
2009-03-30 23:51:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
You like to tie up defenceless girls and stab them with a knife.
That's evil I guess.
It gets a lot more interesting. Remember, both the little girl stabbing
and the defenceless girl getting stabbed are both in a way me. Fun time
for psychoanalysts, I say.
Except that you have read a bit on psychoanalystics. (As have I).
Not as such. As in 'not that I can remember'. And I didn't put anything
in there deliberately anyway. I couldn't sleep, took my notebook and
pretty much wrote it down in one go. One could argue that I was more
asleep than awake at that point.
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
I mean aside from things like being tied down and having your
fingernails removed one by one. For starters.
Well, obviously.
Yeah, I always wonder if they train Dutch commando's like that. I have a
brochure that tells they drop you in France and then hunt you down and
torture you as part of the training.
How... Uncivilised.
Getting captured is a possibility when you are operating past the front
line of your army.
I don't plan to be anywhere near my army, neither past nor behind nor at
the front line. Civilian and proud of it.
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
I know people who had their nails removed by a doctor. The thought is
what scares me the most.
Urgh. There's a damn good reason for us to have finger nails and I
really wouldn't want to use my fingers without them.
They grow back. Sometimes when you have ingrown nails, they have to be
pulled out. And you get a syringe with pain killers injected under your
nail before it is pulled.
Well, then it's *not* the complete nail. If the growth zone is damaged,
they *don't* grow back.
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
And you will gain the highly sought after sarcasm skill! You can talk
bad about other people and seem like you are saying nice things! People
Ah, *that's* what you do. You let your mask slip.
Yet I was being sarcastic when I said it.
Says you.
I am always sarcastic :-))
Yeah, that's the problem, isn't it? But I guess I'm worth. I'm sometimes
sarcastic, sometimes deeply earnest and sometimes in between. And it's
near impossible to safely distinguish between those times.
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
will like you because you always seem optimistic and able to deal with
any situation!
Nah, I think I'll stick to apathy and pessimism.
There is a kind of music for every mood I guess.
Silence.
There is so much depressing music where the frontman eventually killed
himself. Take Joy Division! Or Nirvana to name two very popular examples.
Still, nothing more depressing that real silence.
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
So good luck and let me know how the fight goes. It is a fight no-one
can join you in. You're on your own when battling yourself.
I've never been much of a fighter.
Me neither. That is why I still have a complete set of teeth.
Better that way, I guess.
It amazes me how popular media romantice punching someone else in the
face. It only gets the victim mad and enraged/berserk. How can you win
against an opponent like that?
Don't ask me. I'm pretty sure none of my characters would do that. Laiva
would go for a arrow in a vital spot of a sharp blade. Mynor would
either break the neck or go for the throat. Aya goes for arms, legs,
general torso or the side of the head. And her cousin, despite what
certain dreams would suggest, isn't that warlike.
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Yoda probably also has some things to say about this ;-)
Fear and anxiety the path to the dark side they are.
I guess that is also true :-) Though anxiety can produce great warriors
in tight spots! It can bring out bravery in even the worst of warriors.
A great warrior knows better than to get into tight spots.
A great warrior *Loves* a good challenge. But he also loves his team
mates and keeping them safe.
There is taking a challenge and heroism aka stupidity.
--
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Neo
2009-03-31 12:22:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
You like to tie up defenceless girls and stab them with a knife.
That's evil I guess.
It gets a lot more interesting. Remember, both the little girl stabbing
and the defenceless girl getting stabbed are both in a way me. Fun time
for psychoanalysts, I say.
Except that you have read a bit on psychoanalystics. (As have I).
Not as such. As in 'not that I can remember'. And I didn't put anything
in there deliberately anyway. I couldn't sleep, took my notebook and
pretty much wrote it down in one go. One could argue that I was more
asleep than awake at that point.
Well, to remind you, you killed the main character and turned her next
of kin into a bloodthirsty murderer.

It is like Cain and Abel without a reason to fight each other.

I would have liked it if you went beyond dead and described Aya's state
of mind as a servant of some evil force. I bet that evil force would
regret killing her once they got to know her better!
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
I mean aside from things like being tied down and having your
fingernails removed one by one. For starters.
Well, obviously.
Yeah, I always wonder if they train Dutch commando's like that. I have a
brochure that tells they drop you in France and then hunt you down and
torture you as part of the training.
How... Uncivilised.
Getting captured is a possibility when you are operating past the front
line of your army.
I don't plan to be anywhere near my army, neither past nor behind nor at
the front line. Civilian and proud of it.
Being in the army does bring the risk of having to kill somebody. That
is not for everybody I guess. Maybe not for me either but only having to
point and pull the trigger makes it very easy for a soldier.
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
I know people who had their nails removed by a doctor. The thought is
what scares me the most.
Urgh. There's a damn good reason for us to have finger nails and I
really wouldn't want to use my fingers without them.
They grow back. Sometimes when you have ingrown nails, they have to be
pulled out. And you get a syringe with pain killers injected under your
nail before it is pulled.
Well, then it's *not* the complete nail. If the growth zone is damaged,
they *don't* grow back.
I think my gf had an ingrown nail. Come to think of it, one time she
nearly cut off a whole toe and I had to go bandage it <g>.
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
And you will gain the highly sought after sarcasm skill! You can talk
bad about other people and seem like you are saying nice things! People
Ah, *that's* what you do. You let your mask slip.
Yet I was being sarcastic when I said it.
Says you.
I am always sarcastic :-))
Yeah, that's the problem, isn't it? But I guess I'm worth. I'm sometimes
sarcastic, sometimes deeply earnest and sometimes in between. And it's
near impossible to safely distinguish between those times.
When you are truly sarcastic you believe your own sarcasm. That is when
things can work in your advantage socially. The skill to be nice when
inside you feel hatred!
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
will like you because you always seem optimistic and able to deal with
any situation!
Nah, I think I'll stick to apathy and pessimism.
There is a kind of music for every mood I guess.
Silence.
There is so much depressing music where the frontman eventually killed
himself. Take Joy Division! Or Nirvana to name two very popular examples.
Still, nothing more depressing that real silence.
Turn on MTV during daytime. Now that is depressing!
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
So good luck and let me know how the fight goes. It is a fight no-one
can join you in. You're on your own when battling yourself.
I've never been much of a fighter.
Me neither. That is why I still have a complete set of teeth.
Better that way, I guess.
It amazes me how popular media romantice punching someone else in the
face. It only gets the victim mad and enraged/berserk. How can you win
against an opponent like that?
Don't ask me. I'm pretty sure none of my characters would do that. Laiva
would go for a arrow in a vital spot of a sharp blade. Mynor would
either break the neck or go for the throat. Aya goes for arms, legs,
general torso or the side of the head. And her cousin, despite what
certain dreams would suggest, isn't that warlike.
Sacrificing your cousin somehow seems wrong to me. Yet I was sacrificed
by my cousin in a way. And I am not sure why she did it. I always blame
her parents (in life, eventually, you'll end up hating someone or some
other).
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Yoda probably also has some things to say about this ;-)
Fear and anxiety the path to the dark side they are.
I guess that is also true :-) Though anxiety can produce great warriors
in tight spots! It can bring out bravery in even the worst of warriors.
A great warrior knows better than to get into tight spots.
A great warrior *Loves* a good challenge. But he also loves his team
mates and keeping them safe.
There is taking a challenge and heroism aka stupidity.
"A hero is someone who gets other people killed". I don't know where I
got that quote from, maybe Cypher in the Matrix 1.

Neo
--
Everything that has a beginning has an end.
emmel
2009-03-31 17:23:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
You like to tie up defenceless girls and stab them with a knife.
That's evil I guess.
It gets a lot more interesting. Remember, both the little girl stabbing
and the defenceless girl getting stabbed are both in a way me. Fun time
for psychoanalysts, I say.
Except that you have read a bit on psychoanalystics. (As have I).
Not as such. As in 'not that I can remember'. And I didn't put anything
in there deliberately anyway. I couldn't sleep, took my notebook and
pretty much wrote it down in one go. One could argue that I was more
asleep than awake at that point.
Well, to remind you, you killed the main character and turned her next
of kin into a bloodthirsty murderer.
Technically, her next of kin would be her father. Just saying.
Post by Neo
It is like Cain and Abel without a reason to fight each other.
Oh, but there was a reason... Just not a terribly good one.
Post by Neo
I would have liked it if you went beyond dead and described Aya's state
of mind as a servant of some evil force. I bet that evil force would
regret killing her once they got to know her better!
I don't think so. *That* would be Kay. Trust me on that.

So what has that to do with me (not) reading up on psychoanalysis again?
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
I mean aside from things like being tied down and having your
fingernails removed one by one. For starters.
Well, obviously.
Yeah, I always wonder if they train Dutch commando's like that. I have a
brochure that tells they drop you in France and then hunt you down and
torture you as part of the training.
How... Uncivilised.
Getting captured is a possibility when you are operating past the front
line of your army.
I don't plan to be anywhere near my army, neither past nor behind nor at
the front line. Civilian and proud of it.
Being in the army does bring the risk of having to kill somebody. That
is not for everybody I guess. Maybe not for me either but only having to
point and pull the trigger makes it very easy for a soldier.
Yes. That's why I didn't want to 'serve'. There are things I better
don't get to lay my hands on. High powered lasers and chemicals are
fine, though.
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
I know people who had their nails removed by a doctor. The thought is
what scares me the most.
Urgh. There's a damn good reason for us to have finger nails and I
really wouldn't want to use my fingers without them.
They grow back. Sometimes when you have ingrown nails, they have to be
pulled out. And you get a syringe with pain killers injected under your
nail before it is pulled.
Well, then it's *not* the complete nail. If the growth zone is damaged,
they *don't* grow back.
I think my gf had an ingrown nail. Come to think of it, one time she
nearly cut off a whole toe and I had to go bandage it <g>.
Yikes!
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
And you will gain the highly sought after sarcasm skill! You can talk
bad about other people and seem like you are saying nice things! People
Ah, *that's* what you do. You let your mask slip.
Yet I was being sarcastic when I said it.
Says you.
I am always sarcastic :-))
Yeah, that's the problem, isn't it? But I guess I'm worth. I'm sometimes
sarcastic, sometimes deeply earnest and sometimes in between. And it's
near impossible to safely distinguish between those times.
When you are truly sarcastic you believe your own sarcasm. That is when
things can work in your advantage socially. The skill to be nice when
inside you feel hatred!
There are few people I could really hate. And I tend to stay away from
those.
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
will like you because you always seem optimistic and able to deal with
any situation!
Nah, I think I'll stick to apathy and pessimism.
There is a kind of music for every mood I guess.
Silence.
There is so much depressing music where the frontman eventually killed
himself. Take Joy Division! Or Nirvana to name two very popular examples.
Still, nothing more depressing that real silence.
Turn on MTV during daytime. Now that is depressing!
No can do. Fortunately.
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
So good luck and let me know how the fight goes. It is a fight no-one
can join you in. You're on your own when battling yourself.
I've never been much of a fighter.
Me neither. That is why I still have a complete set of teeth.
Better that way, I guess.
It amazes me how popular media romantice punching someone else in the
face. It only gets the victim mad and enraged/berserk. How can you win
against an opponent like that?
Don't ask me. I'm pretty sure none of my characters would do that. Laiva
would go for a arrow in a vital spot of a sharp blade. Mynor would
either break the neck or go for the throat. Aya goes for arms, legs,
general torso or the side of the head. And her cousin, despite what
certain dreams would suggest, isn't that warlike.
Sacrificing your cousin somehow seems wrong to me.
I bet it does.
Post by Neo
Yet I was sacrificed by my cousin in a way.
In a way? Could you go a /bit/ more into detail?
Post by Neo
And I am not sure why she did it. I always blame her parents (in life,
eventually, you'll end up hating someone or some other).
::shrugs::
Did you ask her?
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Post by emmel
Post by Neo
Yoda probably also has some things to say about this ;-)
Fear and anxiety the path to the dark side they are.
I guess that is also true :-) Though anxiety can produce great warriors
in tight spots! It can bring out bravery in even the worst of warriors.
A great warrior knows better than to get into tight spots.
A great warrior *Loves* a good challenge. But he also loves his team
mates and keeping them safe.
There is taking a challenge and heroism aka stupidity.
"A hero is someone who gets other people killed". I don't know where I
got that quote from, maybe Cypher in the Matrix 1.
That's one lame quote.
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Neo
2009-03-31 19:04:25 UTC
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You like to tie up defenceless girls and stab them with a knife.
That's evil I guess.
It gets a lot more interesting. Remember, both the little girl stabbing
and the defenceless girl getting stabbed are both in a way me. Fun time
for psychoanalysts, I say.
Except that you have read a bit on psychoanalystics. (As have I).
Not as such. As in 'not that I can remember'. And I didn't put anything
in there deliberately anyway. I couldn't sleep, took my notebook and
pretty much wrote it down in one go. One could argue that I was more
asleep than awake at that point.
Well, to remind you, you killed the main character and turned her next
of kin into a bloodthirsty murderer.
Technically, her next of kin would be her father. Just saying.
English is not my first language you know.
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It is like Cain and Abel without a reason to fight each other.
Oh, but there was a reason... Just not a terribly good one.
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I would have liked it if you went beyond dead and described Aya's state
of mind as a servant of some evil force. I bet that evil force would
regret killing her once they got to know her better!
I don't think so. *That* would be Kay. Trust me on that.
Kay is her father? I forgot. And I am bad with names!
Post by emmel
So what has that to do with me (not) reading up on psychoanalysis again?
You say you're both Aya and her cousin. So when Aya gets killed, you get
killed and you are doing it too.

Need I be any more specific?
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I mean aside from things like being tied down and having your
fingernails removed one by one. For starters.
Well, obviously.
Yeah, I always wonder if they train Dutch commando's like that. I have a
brochure that tells they drop you in France and then hunt you down and
torture you as part of the training.
How... Uncivilised.
Getting captured is a possibility when you are operating past the front
line of your army.
I don't plan to be anywhere near my army, neither past nor behind nor at
the front line. Civilian and proud of it.
Being in the army does bring the risk of having to kill somebody. That
is not for everybody I guess. Maybe not for me either but only having to
point and pull the trigger makes it very easy for a soldier.
Yes. That's why I didn't want to 'serve'. There are things I better
don't get to lay my hands on. High powered lasers and chemicals are
fine, though.
If you are lucky you can get a laser pointer on your gun.

And phosphorus grenades are kind of chemical. Burns right through your
skin!
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I know people who had their nails removed by a doctor. The thought is
what scares me the most.
Urgh. There's a damn good reason for us to have finger nails and I
really wouldn't want to use my fingers without them.
They grow back. Sometimes when you have ingrown nails, they have to be
pulled out. And you get a syringe with pain killers injected under your
nail before it is pulled.
Well, then it's *not* the complete nail. If the growth zone is damaged,
they *don't* grow back.
I think my gf had an ingrown nail. Come to think of it, one time she
nearly cut off a whole toe and I had to go bandage it <g>.
Yikes!
Well, not her whole toe came off. Just as a matter of speaking.

Needless to say she goes to the pedicure these days :-)
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And you will gain the highly sought after sarcasm skill! You can talk
bad about other people and seem like you are saying nice things! People
Ah, *that's* what you do. You let your mask slip.
Yet I was being sarcastic when I said it.
Says you.
I am always sarcastic :-))
Yeah, that's the problem, isn't it? But I guess I'm worth. I'm sometimes
sarcastic, sometimes deeply earnest and sometimes in between. And it's
near impossible to safely distinguish between those times.
When you are truly sarcastic you believe your own sarcasm. That is when
things can work in your advantage socially. The skill to be nice when
inside you feel hatred!
There are few people I could really hate. And I tend to stay away from
those.
But sometimes you can't help but run into them.
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will like you because you always seem optimistic and able to deal with
any situation!
Nah, I think I'll stick to apathy and pessimism.
There is a kind of music for every mood I guess.
Silence.
There is so much depressing music where the frontman eventually killed
himself. Take Joy Division! Or Nirvana to name two very popular examples.
Still, nothing more depressing that real silence.
Turn on MTV during daytime. Now that is depressing!
No can do. Fortunately.
It's part of youth culture.
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So good luck and let me know how the fight goes. It is a fight no-one
can join you in. You're on your own when battling yourself.
I've never been much of a fighter.
Me neither. That is why I still have a complete set of teeth.
Better that way, I guess.
It amazes me how popular media romantice punching someone else in the
face. It only gets the victim mad and enraged/berserk. How can you win
against an opponent like that?
Don't ask me. I'm pretty sure none of my characters would do that. Laiva
would go for a arrow in a vital spot of a sharp blade. Mynor would
either break the neck or go for the throat. Aya goes for arms, legs,
general torso or the side of the head. And her cousin, despite what
certain dreams would suggest, isn't that warlike.
Sacrificing your cousin somehow seems wrong to me.
I bet it does.
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Yet I was sacrificed by my cousin in a way.
In a way? Could you go a /bit/ more into detail?
I was sacrificed to safe the relation she had with her parents. That is
the way I see it.

I was younger and she still lived at home.
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And I am not sure why she did it. I always blame her parents (in life,
eventually, you'll end up hating someone or some other).
Did you ask her?
And risk falling in love with her again? I had rather not.

I know her dad said some pretty nasty things about me. She told me once.
A whole operation to get rid of me for *whatever* as you would say it.
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Yoda probably also has some things to say about this ;-)
Fear and anxiety the path to the dark side they are.
I guess that is also true :-) Though anxiety can produce great warriors
in tight spots! It can bring out bravery in even the worst of warriors.
A great warrior knows better than to get into tight spots.
A great warrior *Loves* a good challenge. But he also loves his team
mates and keeping them safe.
There is taking a challenge and heroism aka stupidity.
"A hero is someone who gets other people killed". I don't know where I
got that quote from, maybe Cypher in the Matrix 1.
That's one lame quote.
When someone in your team decides to be a hero, he endangers the team.
That is what the quote is about.

Neo
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emmel
2009-03-31 19:37:27 UTC
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It gets a lot more interesting. Remember, both the little girl stabbing
and the defenceless girl getting stabbed are both in a way me. Fun time
for psychoanalysts, I say.
Except that you have read a bit on psychoanalystics. (As have I).
Not as such. As in 'not that I can remember'. And I didn't put anything
in there deliberately anyway. I couldn't sleep, took my notebook and
pretty much wrote it down in one go. One could argue that I was more
asleep than awake at that point.
Well, to remind you, you killed the main character and turned her next
of kin into a bloodthirsty murderer.
Technically, her next of kin would be her father. Just saying.
English is not my first language you know.
Ditto. Hm... I though 'next of kin' was pretty descriptive.
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I would have liked it if you went beyond dead and described Aya's state
of mind as a servant of some evil force. I bet that evil force would
regret killing her once they got to know her better!
I don't think so. *That* would be Kay. Trust me on that.
Kay is her father? I forgot. And I am bad with names!
No, Kay is her little cousin, well, actually Kaytelij (to stay in tune
with the weird names). And I can hardly blame you for know remembering
that. So far she only cropped up in this story and the half finished
other short, after all.
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So what has that to do with me (not) reading up on psychoanalysis again?
You say you're both Aya and her cousin. So when Aya gets killed, you get
killed and you are doing it too.
Need I be any more specific?
You need to tell me why I would have had to read up on psychoanalysis to
come up with that. Do I need a degree or something for that?
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Yes. That's why I didn't want to 'serve'. There are things I better
don't get to lay my hands on. High powered lasers and chemicals are
fine, though.
If you are lucky you can get a laser pointer on your gun.
Those lame things? A real laser requires you to wear safety goggles.
Post by Neo
And phosphorus grenades are kind of chemical. Burns right through your
skin!
That's no fun.
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I know people who had their nails removed by a doctor. The thought is
what scares me the most.
Urgh. There's a damn good reason for us to have finger nails and I
really wouldn't want to use my fingers without them.
They grow back. Sometimes when you have ingrown nails, they have to be
pulled out. And you get a syringe with pain killers injected under your
nail before it is pulled.
Well, then it's *not* the complete nail. If the growth zone is damaged,
they *don't* grow back.
I think my gf had an ingrown nail. Come to think of it, one time she
nearly cut off a whole toe and I had to go bandage it <g>.
Yikes!
Well, not her whole toe came off. Just as a matter of speaking.
I figured that much. If you cut off your toe, you need a bit more than a
bandage.
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Needless to say she goes to the pedicure these days :-)
Regular clipping should suffice, but hey, I'm no expert, am I?
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will like you because you always seem optimistic and able to deal with
any situation!
Nah, I think I'll stick to apathy and pessimism.
There is a kind of music for every mood I guess.
Silence.
There is so much depressing music where the frontman eventually killed
himself. Take Joy Division! Or Nirvana to name two very popular examples.
Still, nothing more depressing that real silence.
Turn on MTV during daytime. Now that is depressing!
No can do. Fortunately.
It's part of youth culture.
I don't think I qualify as youth anymore.
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So good luck and let me know how the fight goes. It is a fight no-one
can join you in. You're on your own when battling yourself.
I've never been much of a fighter.
Me neither. That is why I still have a complete set of teeth.
Better that way, I guess.
It amazes me how popular media romantice punching someone else in the
face. It only gets the victim mad and enraged/berserk. How can you win
against an opponent like that?
Don't ask me. I'm pretty sure none of my characters would do that. Laiva
would go for a arrow in a vital spot of a sharp blade. Mynor would
either break the neck or go for the throat. Aya goes for arms, legs,
general torso or the side of the head. And her cousin, despite what
certain dreams would suggest, isn't that warlike.
Sacrificing your cousin somehow seems wrong to me.
I bet it does.
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Yet I was sacrificed by my cousin in a way.
In a way? Could you go a /bit/ more into detail?
I was sacrificed to safe the relation she had with her parents. That is
the way I see it.
I was younger and she still lived at home.
Ah, well. I guess sacrificing you is justifiable under those
circumstances ;-) Isn't, of course. It's just wrong.
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And I am not sure why she did it. I always blame her parents (in life,
eventually, you'll end up hating someone or some other).
Did you ask her?
And risk falling in love with her again? I had rather not.
I know her dad said some pretty nasty things about me. She told me once.
A whole operation to get rid of me for *whatever* as you would say it.
Not. Nice.
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Yoda probably also has some things to say about this ;-)
Fear and anxiety the path to the dark side they are.
I guess that is also true :-) Though anxiety can produce great warriors
in tight spots! It can bring out bravery in even the worst of warriors.
A great warrior knows better than to get into tight spots.
A great warrior *Loves* a good challenge. But he also loves his team
mates and keeping them safe.
There is taking a challenge and heroism aka stupidity.
"A hero is someone who gets other people killed". I don't know where I
got that quote from, maybe Cypher in the Matrix 1.
That's one lame quote.
When someone in your team decides to be a hero, he endangers the team.
That is what the quote is about.
Ah. That *makes* sense. I concur.
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Neo
2009-03-31 19:58:49 UTC
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It gets a lot more interesting. Remember, both the little girl stabbing
and the defenceless girl getting stabbed are both in a way me. Fun time
for psychoanalysts, I say.
Except that you have read a bit on psychoanalystics. (As have I).
Not as such. As in 'not that I can remember'. And I didn't put anything
in there deliberately anyway. I couldn't sleep, took my notebook and
pretty much wrote it down in one go. One could argue that I was more
asleep than awake at that point.
Well, to remind you, you killed the main character and turned her next
of kin into a bloodthirsty murderer.
Technically, her next of kin would be her father. Just saying.
English is not my first language you know.
Ditto. Hm... I though 'next of kin' was pretty descriptive.
In Dutch 'kin' means 'chin'.
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I would have liked it if you went beyond dead and described Aya's state
of mind as a servant of some evil force. I bet that evil force would
regret killing her once they got to know her better!
I don't think so. *That* would be Kay. Trust me on that.
Kay is her father? I forgot. And I am bad with names!
No, Kay is her little cousin, well, actually Kaytelij (to stay in tune
with the weird names). And I can hardly blame you for know remembering
that. So far she only cropped up in this story and the half finished
other short, after all.
Like I said, hopeless with names. If in the past I wanted to impress a
girl I kept repeating her name in my head. Except that is not very
impressive to most girls :-)
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Post by emmel
So what has that to do with me (not) reading up on psychoanalysis again?
You say you're both Aya and her cousin. So when Aya gets killed, you get
killed and you are doing it too.
Need I be any more specific?
You need to tell me why I would have had to read up on psychoanalysis to
come up with that. Do I need a degree or something for that?
I don't even think psychology is a real study. I think even less of
Freudian psychoanalysis. It is a trick! Easily taught, hard to forget.
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Yes. That's why I didn't want to 'serve'. There are things I better
don't get to lay my hands on. High powered lasers and chemicals are
fine, though.
If you are lucky you can get a laser pointer on your gun.
Those lame things? A real laser requires you to wear safety goggles.
If you are in the desert (ie Afghanistan), you get the safety goggles too!
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Post by Neo
And phosphorus grenades are kind of chemical. Burns right through your
skin!
That's no fun.
That is why most civilized nations agreed not to use phosphorus weapons
on civilians. It should just be used as markers (and maybe smoke
curtains, I am not sure).
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I know people who had their nails removed by a doctor. The thought is
what scares me the most.
Urgh. There's a damn good reason for us to have finger nails and I
really wouldn't want to use my fingers without them.
They grow back. Sometimes when you have ingrown nails, they have to be
pulled out. And you get a syringe with pain killers injected under your
nail before it is pulled.
Well, then it's *not* the complete nail. If the growth zone is damaged,
they *don't* grow back.
I think my gf had an ingrown nail. Come to think of it, one time she
nearly cut off a whole toe and I had to go bandage it <g>.
Yikes!
Well, not her whole toe came off. Just as a matter of speaking.
I figured that much. If you cut off your toe, you need a bit more than a
bandage.
Yeah, I would need a new gf ;-) Not that I have a foot fetish btw.
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Post by Neo
Needless to say she goes to the pedicure these days :-)
Regular clipping should suffice, but hey, I'm no expert, am I?
She also goes to the hairdresser quite often. An old friend of mine
(rip) once said he didn't know the real hair colour of his former gf. It
is the same with mine. A new dye every few weeks.
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will like you because you always seem optimistic and able to deal with
any situation!
Nah, I think I'll stick to apathy and pessimism.
There is a kind of music for every mood I guess.
Silence.
There is so much depressing music where the frontman eventually killed
himself. Take Joy Division! Or Nirvana to name two very popular examples.
Still, nothing more depressing that real silence.
Turn on MTV during daytime. Now that is depressing!
No can do. Fortunately.
It's part of youth culture.
I don't think I qualify as youth anymore.
But you did once.
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Post by emmel
Post by Neo
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So good luck and let me know how the fight goes. It is a fight no-one
can join you in. You're on your own when battling yourself.
I've never been much of a fighter.
Me neither. That is why I still have a complete set of teeth.
Better that way, I guess.
It amazes me how popular media romantice punching someone else in the
face. It only gets the victim mad and enraged/berserk. How can you win
against an opponent like that?
Don't ask me. I'm pretty sure none of my characters would do that. Laiva
would go for a arrow in a vital spot of a sharp blade. Mynor would
either break the neck or go for the throat. Aya goes for arms, legs,
general torso or the side of the head. And her cousin, despite what
certain dreams would suggest, isn't that warlike.
Sacrificing your cousin somehow seems wrong to me.
I bet it does.
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Yet I was sacrificed by my cousin in a way.
In a way? Could you go a /bit/ more into detail?
I was sacrificed to safe the relation she had with her parents. That is
the way I see it.
I was younger and she still lived at home.
Ah, well. I guess sacrificing you is justifiable under those
circumstances ;-) Isn't, of course. It's just wrong.
But what can you do? Except curse her now and then.

It is wrong but understandable.
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And I am not sure why she did it. I always blame her parents (in life,
eventually, you'll end up hating someone or some other).
Did you ask her?
And risk falling in love with her again? I had rather not.
I know her dad said some pretty nasty things about me. She told me once.
A whole operation to get rid of me for *whatever* as you would say it.
Not. Nice.
He will not be forgiven by me. Too much has taken place.
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Post by Neo
Yoda probably also has some things to say about this ;-)
Fear and anxiety the path to the dark side they are.
I guess that is also true :-) Though anxiety can produce great warriors
in tight spots! It can bring out bravery in even the worst of warriors.
A great warrior knows better than to get into tight spots.
A great warrior *Loves* a good challenge. But he also loves his team
mates and keeping them safe.
There is taking a challenge and heroism aka stupidity.
"A hero is someone who gets other people killed". I don't know where I
got that quote from, maybe Cypher in the Matrix 1.
That's one lame quote.
When someone in your team decides to be a hero, he endangers the team.
That is what the quote is about.
Ah. That *makes* sense. I concur.
Liz Phair has a song:

He's just a hero in a long line of heroes
Looking for something attractive to save
They say he rode in on the back of a pick-up
And he won't leave town till you remember his name

He's just a hero in a long line of heroes
Looking for some lonely billboard to grace
They say he sprung from the skull of Athena
Think about your own head and the headache he gave

Neo
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Everything that has a beginning has an end.
emmel
2009-03-31 20:45:34 UTC
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Well, to remind you, you killed the main character and turned her next
of kin into a bloodthirsty murderer.
Technically, her next of kin would be her father. Just saying.
English is not my first language you know.
Ditto. Hm... I though 'next of kin' was pretty descriptive.
In Dutch 'kin' means 'chin'.
Oh. I take everything back.
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Post by Neo
I would have liked it if you went beyond dead and described Aya's state
of mind as a servant of some evil force. I bet that evil force would
regret killing her once they got to know her better!
I don't think so. *That* would be Kay. Trust me on that.
Kay is her father? I forgot. And I am bad with names!
No, Kay is her little cousin, well, actually Kaytelij (to stay in tune
with the weird names). And I can hardly blame you for know remembering
that. So far she only cropped up in this story and the half finished
other short, after all.
Like I said, hopeless with names. If in the past I wanted to impress a
girl I kept repeating her name in my head. Except that is not very
impressive to most girls :-)
I know what you mean.
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So what has that to do with me (not) reading up on psychoanalysis again?
You say you're both Aya and her cousin. So when Aya gets killed, you get
killed and you are doing it too.
Need I be any more specific?
You need to tell me why I would have had to read up on psychoanalysis to
come up with that. Do I need a degree or something for that?
I don't even think psychology is a real study. I think even less of
Freudian psychoanalysis. It is a trick! Easily taught, hard to forget.
So? I still don't get it.
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Yes. That's why I didn't want to 'serve'. There are things I better
don't get to lay my hands on. High powered lasers and chemicals are
fine, though.
If you are lucky you can get a laser pointer on your gun.
Those lame things? A real laser requires you to wear safety goggles.
If you are in the desert (ie Afghanistan), you get the safety goggles too!
Not that kind. I really hate you[1] for saying that, you know...
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And phosphorus grenades are kind of chemical. Burns right through your
skin!
That's no fun.
That is why most civilized nations agreed not to use phosphorus weapons
on civilians. It should just be used as markers (and maybe smoke
curtains, I am not sure).
Oh, great. Nowadays the civilians only get marked with it, no more fired
upon.
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I think my gf had an ingrown nail. Come to think of it, one time she
nearly cut off a whole toe and I had to go bandage it <g>.
Yikes!
Well, not her whole toe came off. Just as a matter of speaking.
I figured that much. If you cut off your toe, you need a bit more than a
bandage.
Yeah, I would need a new gf ;-) Not that I have a foot fetish btw.
I would need a gf. Period.
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Post by Neo
Needless to say she goes to the pedicure these days :-)
Regular clipping should suffice, but hey, I'm no expert, am I?
She also goes to the hairdresser quite often. An old friend of mine
(rip) once said he didn't know the real hair colour of his former gf. It
is the same with mine. A new dye every few weeks.
I never understood that kind of thing. IMHO the natural hair colour
looks best. It's also much better for the hair.
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Still, nothing more depressing that real silence.
Turn on MTV during daytime. Now that is depressing!
No can do. Fortunately.
It's part of youth culture.
I don't think I qualify as youth anymore.
But you did once.
I think I skipped that.
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Post by Neo
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Yet I was sacrificed by my cousin in a way.
In a way? Could you go a /bit/ more into detail?
I was sacrificed to safe the relation she had with her parents. That is
the way I see it.
I was younger and she still lived at home.
Ah, well. I guess sacrificing you is justifiable under those
circumstances ;-) Isn't, of course. It's just wrong.
But what can you do? Except curse her now and then.
It is wrong but understandable.
I guess.
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And I am not sure why she did it. I always blame her parents (in life,
eventually, you'll end up hating someone or some other).
Did you ask her?
And risk falling in love with her again? I had rather not.
I know her dad said some pretty nasty things about me. She told me once.
A whole operation to get rid of me for *whatever* as you would say it.
Not. Nice.
He will not be forgiven by me. Too much has taken place.
What people are willing to do to each other...
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There is taking a challenge and heroism aka stupidity.
"A hero is someone who gets other people killed". I don't know where I
got that quote from, maybe Cypher in the Matrix 1.
That's one lame quote.
When someone in your team decides to be a hero, he endangers the team.
That is what the quote is about.
Ah. That *makes* sense. I concur.
He's just a hero in a long line of heroes
Looking for something attractive to save
They say he rode in on the back of a pick-up
And he won't leave town till you remember his name
He's just a hero in a long line of heroes
Looking for some lonely billboard to grace
They say he sprung from the skull of Athena
Think about your own head and the headache he gave
Now who wrote that bit about heros being thermodynamically unsound or
something...
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Neo
2009-03-31 21:01:57 UTC
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So what has that to do with me (not) reading up on psychoanalysis again?
You say you're both Aya and her cousin. So when Aya gets killed, you get
killed and you are doing it too.
Need I be any more specific?
You need to tell me why I would have had to read up on psychoanalysis to
come up with that. Do I need a degree or something for that?
I don't even think psychology is a real study. I think even less of
Freudian psychoanalysis. It is a trick! Easily taught, hard to forget.
So? I still don't get it.
Psychology is a trick you can teach to anybody. Psychoanalytics equally
so except that they were all made up by Freud who had his own share of
personal problems to deal with (which he projected onto others).
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Yes. That's why I didn't want to 'serve'. There are things I better
don't get to lay my hands on. High powered lasers and chemicals are
fine, though.
If you are lucky you can get a laser pointer on your gun.
Those lame things? A real laser requires you to wear safety goggles.
If you are in the desert (ie Afghanistan), you get the safety goggles too!
Not that kind. I really hate you[1] for saying that, you know...
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And phosphorus grenades are kind of chemical. Burns right through your
skin!
That's no fun.
That is why most civilized nations agreed not to use phosphorus weapons
on civilians. It should just be used as markers (and maybe smoke
curtains, I am not sure).
Oh, great. Nowadays the civilians only get marked with it, no more fired
upon.
Well, they started it by firing rockets onto Jewish settlements I guess.
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I think my gf had an ingrown nail. Come to think of it, one time she
nearly cut off a whole toe and I had to go bandage it <g>.
Yikes!
Well, not her whole toe came off. Just as a matter of speaking.
I figured that much. If you cut off your toe, you need a bit more than a
bandage.
Yeah, I would need a new gf ;-) Not that I have a foot fetish btw.
I would need a gf. Period.
I think you need a gf that complements you.

If eventually you want to live together you will both have your own
tasks. Things you are good at (high powered lasers and chemicals) and
things she will be good at.

If you complement each other's skills you will both gain from each
other. At least that is how I see it at the moment.
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Needless to say she goes to the pedicure these days :-)
Regular clipping should suffice, but hey, I'm no expert, am I?
She also goes to the hairdresser quite often. An old friend of mine
(rip) once said he didn't know the real hair colour of his former gf. It
is the same with mine. A new dye every few weeks.
I never understood that kind of thing. IMHO the natural hair colour
looks best. It's also much better for the hair.
I keep telling her that!!!
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Still, nothing more depressing that real silence.
Turn on MTV during daytime. Now that is depressing!
No can do. Fortunately.
It's part of youth culture.
I don't think I qualify as youth anymore.
But you did once.
I think I skipped that.
Pity.

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He's just a hero in a long line of heroes
Looking for something attractive to save
They say he rode in on the back of a pick-up
And he won't leave town till you remember his name
He's just a hero in a long line of heroes
Looking for some lonely billboard to grace
They say he sprung from the skull of Athena
Think about your own head and the headache he gave
Now who wrote that bit about heros being thermodynamically unsound or
something...
Probably Douglas Adams.

Neo
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emmel
2009-03-31 21:17:50 UTC
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So what has that to do with me (not) reading up on psychoanalysis again?
You say you're both Aya and her cousin. So when Aya gets killed, you get
killed and you are doing it too.
Need I be any more specific?
You need to tell me why I would have had to read up on psychoanalysis to
come up with that. Do I need a degree or something for that?
I don't even think psychology is a real study. I think even less of
Freudian psychoanalysis. It is a trick! Easily taught, hard to forget.
So? I still don't get it.
Psychology is a trick you can teach to anybody. Psychoanalytics equally
so except that they were all made up by Freud who had his own share of
personal problems to deal with (which he projected onto others).
And I learned Freud's tricks? I feel stupid, but what the hell *are* you
talking about?
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I think my gf had an ingrown nail. Come to think of it, one time she
nearly cut off a whole toe and I had to go bandage it <g>.
Yikes!
Well, not her whole toe came off. Just as a matter of speaking.
I figured that much. If you cut off your toe, you need a bit more than a
bandage.
Yeah, I would need a new gf ;-) Not that I have a foot fetish btw.
I would need a gf. Period.
I think you need a gf that complements you.
If eventually you want to live together you will both have your own
tasks. Things you are good at (high powered lasers and chemicals) and
things she will be good at.
If you complement each other's skills you will both gain from each
other. At least that is how I see it at the moment.
I think Aya would be the ideal match for me. How's that for pathetic?
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Needless to say she goes to the pedicure these days :-)
Regular clipping should suffice, but hey, I'm no expert, am I?
She also goes to the hairdresser quite often. An old friend of mine
(rip) once said he didn't know the real hair colour of his former gf. It
is the same with mine. A new dye every few weeks.
I never understood that kind of thing. IMHO the natural hair colour
looks best. It's also much better for the hair.
I keep telling her that!!!
But she won't listen, eh?
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Still, nothing more depressing that real silence.
Turn on MTV during daytime. Now that is depressing!
No can do. Fortunately.
It's part of youth culture.
I don't think I qualify as youth anymore.
But you did once.
I think I skipped that.
Pity.
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He's just a hero in a long line of heroes
Looking for something attractive to save
They say he rode in on the back of a pick-up
And he won't leave town till you remember his name
He's just a hero in a long line of heroes
Looking for some lonely billboard to grace
They say he sprung from the skull of Athena
Think about your own head and the headache he gave
Now who wrote that bit about heros being thermodynamically unsound or
something...
Probably Douglas Adams.
I don't think so. Not his kind of sarcasm. Besides, I just checked and
couldn't find it.
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Neo
2009-04-07 20:44:17 UTC
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So what has that to do with me (not) reading up on psychoanalysis again?
You say you're both Aya and her cousin. So when Aya gets killed, you get
killed and you are doing it too.
Need I be any more specific?
You need to tell me why I would have had to read up on psychoanalysis to
come up with that. Do I need a degree or something for that?
I don't even think psychology is a real study. I think even less of
Freudian psychoanalysis. It is a trick! Easily taught, hard to forget.
So? I still don't get it.
Psychology is a trick you can teach to anybody. Psychoanalytics equally
so except that they were all made up by Freud who had his own share of
personal problems to deal with (which he projected onto others).
And I learned Freud's tricks? I feel stupid, but what the hell *are* you
talking about?
Example:
Do you smoke?
-> Yes; you have an oral obsession (with sucking and stuff)
-> No; you have an oral obsession (but now you are repressing it)

Point is, don't get yourself a psycho-analist. They would find stuff
wrong with themselves if they weren't aware they were the subject under
treatment.
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I think my gf had an ingrown nail. Come to think of it, one time she
nearly cut off a whole toe and I had to go bandage it <g>.
Yikes!
Well, not her whole toe came off. Just as a matter of speaking.
I figured that much. If you cut off your toe, you need a bit more than a
bandage.
Yeah, I would need a new gf ;-) Not that I have a foot fetish btw.
I would need a gf. Period.
I think you need a gf that complements you.
If eventually you want to live together you will both have your own
tasks. Things you are good at (high powered lasers and chemicals) and
things she will be good at.
If you complement each other's skills you will both gain from each
other. At least that is how I see it at the moment.
I think Aya would be the ideal match for me. How's that for pathetic?
She would kick your ass.
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Needless to say she goes to the pedicure these days :-)
Regular clipping should suffice, but hey, I'm no expert, am I?
She also goes to the hairdresser quite often. An old friend of mine
(rip) once said he didn't know the real hair colour of his former gf. It
is the same with mine. A new dye every few weeks.
I never understood that kind of thing. IMHO the natural hair colour
looks best. It's also much better for the hair.
I keep telling her that!!!
But she won't listen, eh?
Do any females listen at all? I just hear them talk and talk about
things that bear no importance to me. I could give you an example if I
actually did listen (which I don't).

Neo
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emmel
2009-04-08 08:50:42 UTC
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So what has that to do with me (not) reading up on psychoanalysis again?
You say you're both Aya and her cousin. So when Aya gets killed, you get
killed and you are doing it too.
Need I be any more specific?
You need to tell me why I would have had to read up on psychoanalysis to
come up with that. Do I need a degree or something for that?
I don't even think psychology is a real study. I think even less of
Freudian psychoanalysis. It is a trick! Easily taught, hard to forget.
So? I still don't get it.
Psychology is a trick you can teach to anybody. Psychoanalytics equally
so except that they were all made up by Freud who had his own share of
personal problems to deal with (which he projected onto others).
And I learned Freud's tricks? I feel stupid, but what the hell *are* you
talking about?
Do you smoke?
-> Yes; you have an oral obsession (with sucking and stuff)
-> No; you have an oral obsession (but now you are repressing it)
Point is, don't get yourself a psycho-analist. They would find stuff
wrong with themselves if they weren't aware they were the subject under
treatment.
What were we talking about again?
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I think my gf had an ingrown nail. Come to think of it, one time she
nearly cut off a whole toe and I had to go bandage it <g>.
Yikes!
Well, not her whole toe came off. Just as a matter of speaking.
I figured that much. If you cut off your toe, you need a bit more than a
bandage.
Yeah, I would need a new gf ;-) Not that I have a foot fetish btw.
I would need a gf. Period.
I think you need a gf that complements you.
If eventually you want to live together you will both have your own
tasks. Things you are good at (high powered lasers and chemicals) and
things she will be good at.
If you complement each other's skills you will both gain from each
other. At least that is how I see it at the moment.
I think Aya would be the ideal match for me. How's that for pathetic?
She would kick your ass.
And rock my world.
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Needless to say she goes to the pedicure these days :-)
Regular clipping should suffice, but hey, I'm no expert, am I?
She also goes to the hairdresser quite often. An old friend of mine
(rip) once said he didn't know the real hair colour of his former gf. It
is the same with mine. A new dye every few weeks.
I never understood that kind of thing. IMHO the natural hair colour
looks best. It's also much better for the hair.
I keep telling her that!!!
But she won't listen, eh?
Do any females listen at all?
Um, yeah?
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I just hear them talk and talk about
things that bear no importance to me. I could give you an example if I
actually did listen (which I don't).
That *might* be the problem with there.
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